alistairolsen
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| posted on 22/3/10 at 01:16 PM |
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RWD zetec issues
Hi,
First of all, I know the zetec shares its basic block architecture with the CVH, I assume this doesnt tail back to the crossflow?
Ive heard the water rail causes issues in rwd fitment, is this only a space issue for bulkhead clearance? Anyone got a decent pic of the OE
arrangement?
Whats the best (cheapest and strongest) flywheel and clutch arrangement for a zetec onto a type 9? Ive read about rs turbo clutches and standard fwd
mondeo ones and allsorts but not found a clear answer?
Can the original ford ecu be maintained in a transplant? Any links to wiring guides? Is the immobiliser easy to get around?
Im talking here about a silvertop 2.0 unit.
Cheers
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hughpinder
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| posted on 22/3/10 at 01:21 PM |
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Don't know about some of your questions, but Big_wasa has used the standard ecu on his enginr
Regards
Hugh
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whitestu
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| posted on 22/3/10 at 01:24 PM |
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The water rail is needed just for bulkhead clearance.
Stu
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flak monkey
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| posted on 22/3/10 at 01:25 PM |
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RS Turbo clutch (220mm) will be the strongest available std clutch. AP do uprated ones as well. However a std mondeo clutch usually stands up to the
power.
You dont need a water rail - just use ali tube and normal hoses to link the outlet at the back of the head to the top hose of the rad.
big-wasa is the man to talk about WRT ECU's 
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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mcerd1
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| posted on 22/3/10 at 01:50 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by alistairolsen
First of all, I know the zetec shares its basic block architecture with the CVH, I assume this doesnt tail back to the crossflow?
Thats right, CVH was a new design
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lsdweb
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| posted on 22/3/10 at 01:51 PM |
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There are some pictures in my archive of the water rail - my engine was as far back as possible
Cooling
I used a CVH flywheel for lightness but this doesn't have a crank sensor.
Regards
Wyn
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alistairolsen
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| posted on 22/3/10 at 02:55 PM |
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mcmerd1: OK, so the engine mounts will need to be redone anyway.
lsdweb: Cheers for the pic, thats the raceline rail? Any pics of the original setup?
Cheers!
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mcerd1
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| posted on 22/3/10 at 03:43 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by alistairolsen
mcerd1: OK, so the engine mounts will need to be redone anyway.
I think so, but knowing ford I wouldn't be surprised if there were still some sizes in common
(don't ask me what size either of them are though - I've just got pinto's here)
if you having a go at making your own here's a couple of other threads from today that might be worth a read:
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=132409
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=132414
[Edited on 22/3/10 by mcerd1]
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alistairolsen
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| posted on 22/3/10 at 03:47 PM |
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Cheers!
Do mondeos have a standalone engine loom back tot he ecu or is it all integrated with the headlamps and washer pump and that jazz?
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 22/3/10 at 04:11 PM |
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The main issue with retaining the OEM injection system is
1) The size of the inlet manifold. It can interfere with steering columns etc.
2) The majority of Mondeos will have an immobiliser system (PATS) built in which will need to be transferred over as well. The early Mk1 Mondeos had
an ECU without the PATS system, but they are getting more difficult to find now, and you'll need the appropriate wiring loom for the ECU.
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coozer
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| posted on 22/3/10 at 06:02 PM |
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I have standard 1.8 zetec flywheel, its thinner and lighter than the 2L and has the pick ups on the back you need for ignition.
Then a standard 1.8 Mondeo clutch plate and cover and a Capri release bearign within the type 9 bellhousing. Works atreat and has not slipped or
caused any problems with my ST170 engine.
1972 V8 Jago
1980 Z750
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big_wasa
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| posted on 22/3/10 at 06:31 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
The main issue with retaining the OEM injection system is
1) The size of the inlet manifold. It can interfere with steering columns etc.
2) The majority of Mondeos will have an immobiliser system (PATS) built in which will need to be transferred over as well. The early Mk1 Mondeos had
an ECU without the PATS system, but they are getting more difficult to find now, and you'll need the appropriate wiring loom for the ECU.
93 and 94 had a seperate immobilizer that just cut some of the earths. it went to three plugs near the batery and is more or less stand alone. It has
all the bits to get you running. For 2.0 manual you will need an ecu with the codes Desk, Deep or Dewy. loads of info on the net.
95 to 97 Has the first gen of Pats. This has a big square single plug at the back of the battery. You will also need the matching key for the ecu and
the antena from around the ignition barel. more or less stand alone but does have a couple of plugs on the car side of the loom.
96 ish they started puting a steel cage over the ecu plug to stop you nicking a car by pluging in an ecu.
Pats is only an extra four wires. rx tx power and earth.
Latter they have Obd2 which is five more wires but means you can plug a scanner in to see whats what.
97 ish they changed from eec-iv to eec-v Thats 60pins upto 104pins
98 ish gets the next gen of pats Where the alarm modual is also paired to ecu aswell as the key.
I gave up on this one as its just to much as you need four door switch inputs for the alarm side and much more.
Manifolds, yes the mondeo is low and near the steering down link but this can be got around.
Escort is high and means a buldge or manifold sticking through the bonet.
Or you can make a manifold, log style with a single Tb or multi Tb's with a plenum.
This is because the eec-iv and v uses Maf for load.
Ford guard wiring diagrams so there is very little info on the net.
Wiring diagrams alter with year model and spec making it harder still.
Ive done I think six ecu's
example
The last one I did took me over 100 hours on the wiring with out extras such as the fan control and Fords smart charge system.
yes it can be done and cheap its not easy and if you dont love wiring dont bother 
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bob
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| posted on 22/3/10 at 06:48 PM |
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If your not pulling the engine and gearbox back to fit where it touches the bulkhead its a simple arrangement of 32mm and 19mm pipework.
 
Rescued attachment zetec instaled 011.jpg
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bob
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| posted on 22/3/10 at 06:50 PM |
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and
 
Rescued attachment zetec plumbing 010.jpg
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alistairolsen
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| posted on 22/3/10 at 09:43 PM |
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Cheers for all the info! it will probably be a mondeo donor and by the sounds of things I want to aim for a 94/95 model. I assume if I get a donor car
and go carefully I can transplant the early PATS if I have the key?
Its not for a locost, so I suspect the water rail and manifolds wont be an issue. For reference has anyone got a pic of the escort and mondeo
manifold?
Cheers!
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alistairolsen
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| posted on 23/3/10 at 08:18 AM |
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Which cars came with rear bowl sumps? (sump at the gearbox end)
Cheers
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dlatch
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| posted on 23/3/10 at 06:20 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by alistairolsen
Which cars came with rear bowl sumps? (sump at the gearbox end)
Cheers
1.8 cvh engined sierra i believe.
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big_wasa
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| posted on 23/3/10 at 07:43 PM |
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From memory mondeo is in the middle and escort is at front.
Give me a shout on the wiring if you need a hand.
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big_wasa
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| posted on 23/3/10 at 07:44 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by alistairolsen
Cheers for all the info! it will probably be a mondeo donor and by the sounds of things I want to aim for a 94/95 model. I assume if I get a donor car
and go carefully I can transplant the early PATS if I have the key?
Its not for a locost, so I suspect the water rail and manifolds wont be an issue. For reference has anyone got a pic of the escort and mondeo
manifold?
Cheers!
M reg on you will need the key and the antena and engine loom.
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alistairolsen
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| posted on 23/3/10 at 10:00 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by big_wasa
From memory mondeo is in the middle and escort is at front.
Give me a shout on the wiring if you need a hand.
Thanks a lot, Youll doubtless regret saying that!
I assume if I have donor with keys and just lift the ecu,engine loom, sensor from the barrel etc I should end up with very few wires:
tacho feed
igition live feed
permantent live
earth
fuel pump feed
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big_wasa
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| posted on 24/3/10 at 10:25 PM |
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erm you would think wouldnt you
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alistairolsen
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| posted on 24/3/10 at 10:41 PM |
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That's a no isnt it? 
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alistairolsen
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| posted on 18/4/10 at 09:40 PM |
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Okay, so I collected a zetec at the weekend with a free mondeo
It's a 1998 R registration 1.8 and the ecu says NOAH on it.
Can anyone shed any specific wiring advice? Im assuming its a PATS equipped car from the earlier advice in the thread.....
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