ali f27
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| posted on 18/4/12 at 04:41 PM |
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duratec fuel
Hi anybody know if a fiesta st fuel rail will give more power than 1.8 mondeo fuel rail need one for my install has st got better injectors
Cheers Ali
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itsawindupuk
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| posted on 18/4/12 at 06:37 PM |
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im using the st fuel rail, it doesnt have a fuel return so im using a T piece to make it work. I think the fiesta uses larger injectors.
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pjay
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| posted on 18/4/12 at 07:23 PM |
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Fuel rail itself shouldn't make a difference. Fiesta ST150 uses the same injectors as a Mondeo 2.0 which uses these (0280156154's):
 
Description
Does the Mondeo 1.8 use the same?
I've used these injectors for 192BHP but decided to change them since the duty cycle was running over 90%.
What power are you aiming for?
[Edited on 18/4/12 by pjay]
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Nitrogeno25
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| posted on 18/4/12 at 07:40 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by pjay
Fuel rail itself shouldn't make a difference. Fiesta ST150 uses the same injectors as a Mondeo 2.0 which uses these (0280156154's):
Description
Does the Mondeo 1.8 use the same?
I've used these injectors for 192BHP but decided to change them since the duty cycle was running over 90%.
What power are you aiming for?
[Edited on 18/4/12 by pjay]
pjay, that was with standard fuel pressure?
Thanks!
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ali f27
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| posted on 18/4/12 at 07:53 PM |
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Hi just using standard mondeo engine 45 tb,s and good exhaust man for now so power will be what it is i also have hillclimb car with well tuned
duratec 2.3 duratec it works out at 622 bhp per tonne so looking for relible road engine to go touring i supose 200 bhp would be nice want jane to be
able to enjoy driving it and not to liary
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pjay
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| posted on 18/4/12 at 08:35 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Nitrogeno25
quote:
Originally posted by pjay
Fuel rail itself shouldn't make a difference. Fiesta ST150 uses the same injectors as a Mondeo 2.0 which uses these (0280156154's):
Description
Does the Mondeo 1.8 use the same?
I've used these injectors for 192BHP but decided to change them since the duty cycle was running over 90%.
What power are you aiming for?
[Edited on 18/4/12 by pjay]
pjay, that was with standard fuel pressure?
Thanks!
Yes fuel pressure running @ 3 bar. Could have increased the fuel pressure but I'm thinking of going for some cams and the better head so decided
bigger injectors was the first step (also didn't fancy fuel pressuired to 4 bar+ running up the tranmission tunnel and around the engine
bay!).
quote:
Originally posted by ali f27
Hi just using standard mondeo engine 45 tb,s and good exhaust man for now so power will be what it is i also have hillclimb car with well tuned
duratec 2.3 duratec it works out at 622 bhp per tonne so looking for relible road engine to go touring i supose 200 bhp would be nice want jane to be
able to enjoy driving it and not to liary
622BHP/ton... mad but very nice!
What injectors would you use on the touring engine?
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se7ensport
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| posted on 18/4/12 at 09:01 PM |
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I'm looking to upgrade my injectors to keep the fuel pressure at 3bar and a sensible duty cycle, the R400 uses the next size up:
http://www.caterhamparts.co.uk/product.php?id_product=4058
From what I can tell these are part number: 0280156127
Static Flow Rate: 42lb/hr @ 43.5PSI = 440 cc/min (+/-2%)
Cheaper from the US if you get out there, eBay - The UK's Online Marketplace , works out about $45 to ship plus import duty,
so Caterham is the best source.
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big-vee-twin
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| posted on 18/4/12 at 09:53 PM |
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I'm using ST170 injectors which come in about 197BHP
Duratec Engine is fitted, MS2 Extra V3 is assembled and tested, engine running, car now built. IVA passed 26/02/2016
http://www.triangleltd.com
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pjay
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| posted on 18/4/12 at 10:05 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by big-vee-twin
I'm using ST170 injectors which come in about 197BHP
Same here - switched to these. 315 cc/min @ 3 bar IIRC.
Minitimer connector instead of the EV6 though.
The Caterham/Cosworth ones at 440 look good and are EV6's (by the looks of it). Just wonder if they would over fuel at the low end though
(obviously good to 250-300 BHP though I guess)?
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se7ensport
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| posted on 19/4/12 at 10:11 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by pjay
quote:
Originally posted by big-vee-twin
I'm using ST170 injectors which come in about 197BHP
Same here - switched to these. 315 cc/min @ 3 bar IIRC.
Minitimer connector instead of the EV6 though.
The Caterham/Cosworth ones at 440 look good and are EV6's (by the looks of it). Just wonder if they would over fuel at the low end though
(obviously good to 250-300 BHP though I guess)?
Caterham use these injectors in
their 175BHP to 195BHP kit for the R300. I had the Bosch part number wrong, turns out the R400 part number is 0280156162, I’m struggling to locate
the flow rate for them, but cross referencing the number shows that they are used in 2.0 and 2.3 Focus engines.
The 0280156127 flow the same as the “big green” injectors used in the CSR and R500.
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pjay
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| posted on 19/4/12 at 11:40 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by se7ensport
quote:
Originally posted by pjay
quote:
Originally posted by big-vee-twin
I'm using ST170 injectors which come in about 197BHP
Same here - switched to these. 315 cc/min @ 3 bar IIRC.
Minitimer connector instead of the EV6 though.
The Caterham/Cosworth ones at 440 look good and are EV6's (by the looks of it). Just wonder if they would over fuel at the low end though
(obviously good to 250-300 BHP though I guess)?
Caterham use these injectors in
their 175BHP to 195BHP kit for the R300. I had the Bosch part number wrong, turns out the R400 part number is 0280156162, I’m struggling to locate
the flow rate for them, but cross referencing the number shows that they are used in 2.0 and 2.3 Focus engines.
The 0280156127 flow the same as the “big green” injectors used in the CSR and R500.
I've got the following info on the 162's (not sure how reliable though):
OE NR. - 0 280 156 162
Type - EV 6
Resistance (Ohm) - 12
Operating pressure (kPa) - 380
Q-stat (at operating pressure) (g/min) - 194
Q-stat with 300 kPa (g/min) - 172.4
Q-stat with 300 kPa (ml/min) - 246
Standard operating pressure 3.8 bar...
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se7ensport
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| posted on 19/4/12 at 01:57 PM |
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Just found in interesting spreadsheet, it allows you to filter by many different characteristics. It implies the standard 156 and the 162 have the
same flow rate and operating pressure:
Injector type OE NR. Type "Info production stop
(status 01.2008)" Resistance (Ohm) Test medium Operating pressure (kPa) Q-stat (at operating pressure) (g/min) Q-stat with 300 kPa
(g/min) Q-stat with 300 kPa (ml/min)
0280156127 0 280 156 128 EV 6 14.5 Heptan 270 294 309.9 443
0280156128 0 280 156 128 EV 6 14.5 Heptan 270 294 309.9 443
0280156156 0 280 156 156 EV 6 12 Heptan 380 194 172.4 246
0280156161 0 280 156 161 EV 6 12 Heptan 380 194 172.4 246
0280156162 0 280 156 162 EV 6 12 Heptan 380 194 172.4 246
0280156193 0 280 156 193 EV 6 12 Heptan 380 194 172.4 246
0280156205 0 280 156 205 EV 6 12 Heptan 380 154 136.8 195
0280156336 0 280 156 336 EV 6 14.5 ¤ 300 172 172 246
Spreadsheet can be downloaded from:
www.usrallyteam.com/content/products/injector/Bosch_Injector_data.xls
http://www.google.co.uk/url?q=http://www.usrallyteam.com/content/products/injector/Bosch_Injector_data.xls&sa=U&ei=jRiQT8b2CsGg0QWwv_nlAQ&
ved=0CCEQFjAE&usg=AFQjCNFbNBDBFgl8OgEe73EN3DwnD9JDrg
Looks like the 127/128 are the only upgrade that fits and plugs directly in to existing loom and fuel rail.
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Nitrogeno25
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| posted on 19/4/12 at 04:35 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by se7ensport
Just found in interesting spreadsheet, it allows you to filter by many different characteristics. It implies the standard 156 and the 162 have the
same flow rate and operating pressure:
Injector type OE NR. Type "Info production stop
(status 01.2008)" Resistance (Ohm) Test medium Operating pressure (kPa) Q-stat (at operating pressure) (g/min) Q-stat with 300 kPa
(g/min) Q-stat with 300 kPa (ml/min)
0280156127 0 280 156 128 EV 6 14.5 Heptan 270 294 309.9 443
0280156128 0 280 156 128 EV 6 14.5 Heptan 270 294 309.9 443
0280156156 0 280 156 156 EV 6 12 Heptan 380 194 172.4 246
0280156161 0 280 156 161 EV 6 12 Heptan 380 194 172.4 246
0280156162 0 280 156 162 EV 6 12 Heptan 380 194 172.4 246
0280156193 0 280 156 193 EV 6 12 Heptan 380 194 172.4 246
0280156205 0 280 156 205 EV 6 12 Heptan 380 154 136.8 195
0280156336 0 280 156 336 EV 6 14.5 ¤ 300 172 172 246
Spreadsheet can be downloaded from:
www.usrallyteam.com/content/products/injector/Bosch_Injector_data.xls
http://www.google.co.uk/url?q=http://www.usrallyteam.com/content/products/injector/Bosch_Injector_data.xls&sa=U&ei=jRiQT8b2CsGg0QWwv_nlAQ&
ved=0CCEQFjAE&usg=AFQjCNFbNBDBFgl8OgEe73EN3DwnD9JDrg
Looks like the 127/128 are the only upgrade that fits and plugs directly in to existing loom and fuel rail.
Mine has the 0 280 158 179 injector and I could not find any information, only it seems they are EV14 insted of EV6?
MOTORCRAFT # CM5148
FORD # 8S4Z-9F593-A
ENG # 8S4G-9F593-AA
BOSCH # 0-280-158-179
Thanks!
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