steve m
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| posted on 28/4/12 at 07:06 PM |
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Roughly how much power is sapped by using hot air in the carb?
My carb setup which resides very close under the green bonnet bulge, means that i will always be sucking hot air into the twin choke carbs,
So
Roughly how much power is sapped by using hot air in the carb?
If it was say, something like 5% power loss, then i would stick with the current setup, but much more i may think about ducting cold air to feed the
carb
Any idea's?
steve
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jossey
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| posted on 28/4/12 at 07:15 PM |
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I would say more than that. Although I have no specific figures.
I know adding cold air feed to my old mr2 was the best thing I did.
Thanks
David Johnson
Building my tiger avon slowly but surely.
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tomgregory2000
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| posted on 28/4/12 at 07:32 PM |
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0%-200% somewhere in that range 
with out running the car back to back on some rollers in both set ups you never will know 
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mad-butcher
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| posted on 28/4/12 at 07:36 PM |
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certainly noticed the difference in the blade after I moved the intakes into cold air stream from
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mark chandler
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| posted on 28/4/12 at 07:47 PM |
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I raced a landrover, it used to under pink on steep hill climbs although okay on the flat.
By boxing in the air filter and ducting to the outside world resolved all these issues and picked up power, well worth doing.
Since then all my cars have been ducted for cold air feeds.
Manufacturers kept air feeds hot to stop carbs from freezing, not an issue with EFI infact some you turned the air filter inlet to point at the
exhaust manifold!
Regards Mark
[Edited on 28/4/12 by mark chandler]
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will121
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| posted on 28/4/12 at 08:09 PM |
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not really answering you question, but on my track day fiesta i fitted a cheap remote max/min thermometer with sensor beside air filter and was
supprised when driving at a reasonable speed the actual under bonet temperature wasnt that high above ambient, however rocketed when stationary, if
air filter is quite close to bonet i wonder if the airflow would be restricted rather than temperature being the issue as max power require a lot of
intake air, have you any photos?
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doddy
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| posted on 28/4/12 at 08:25 PM |
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You could find somewear to go for a drive without the bonnet fitted this would give you a chance to test it
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AdrianH
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| posted on 28/4/12 at 08:34 PM |
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There is a sentence in the the Graham Bell Performance four stroke tuning:
'You can reckon on a power decrease of at least 1% for every 7 degree C the intake air temperature rises.
Hope that helps.
Adrian
Why do I have to make the tools to finish the job? More time then money.
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redscamp
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| posted on 29/4/12 at 12:18 AM |
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Cant answer the question.but when the carb freezes you lose 100% of your power.
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Oddified
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| posted on 29/4/12 at 09:15 AM |
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I just made an air box/pipe/intake at the front of my car (itb's and was the pipercross 600 sausage filter fitted), and the difference is a very
very noticable increase in performance (and a huge drop in intake noise but that wasn't the main reason for doing it). The primary reason was
the intake air temp readings seen on the ecu and reading up that cold air was free extra power even if only small.
Now whether that's down to cold air going in, resonant frequencies on the intakes or the much debated ram air effect i don't know but i
would say it 'feels' far more than 1% power/7 deg of air temp. Obviously not scientific with back to back tests on a dyno, but quite a few
areas of the fuel map needed richening afterwards to get the afr's in the ball park again on the data logs. In my mind that confirms that not
only does it feel far better, something good is actualy happening! 
Ian
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snapper
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| posted on 29/4/12 at 09:21 AM |
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I had bed carb freeze on an XR2 simple small tube from exhaust manifold to K&N stopped that
On my 7 I used 100mm flexible extractor fan duct, run from the nosecone to the carbs, cut in half and laid over the piper cross leaving the rear open
to the warmer air, this gives me a good cold air feed with just enough warm to stop icing
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gottabedone
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| posted on 29/4/12 at 09:39 AM |
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Why don't you fit a simple cable operated butterfly - leave it fed with cold air from your cold air source and you can switch to a warm air
source (from exhaust manifold) when you feel that you need to.
Steve
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bumpy
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| posted on 9/10/14 at 06:19 PM |
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I find this a very interesting topic as my 2l Pinto engine suffers from drawing in very hot air through a K&N filter fitted atop the twin choke
Weber.
Is the solution as simple as fabricating a fitting in place of the K&N to take say a 3" flexible pipe, the other end of which could be
equipped with filter and positioned to draw in cool air from elsewhere in the engine bay?
I'm sure there must be snags I haven't even thought of. Any ideas on carb fittings, pipework or filters would be gratefully received.
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02GF74
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| posted on 9/10/14 at 11:58 PM |
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An air scoop on the bonnet seems like the way to go.
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jeffw
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| posted on 10/10/14 at 05:27 AM |
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Make sure you have somewhere for the air to leave as well.....
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bumpy
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| posted on 10/10/14 at 07:06 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
An air scoop on the bonnet seems like the way to go.
Unfortunately I have a classic looking JBA Falcon, like the one shown, and a scoop on the bonnet would definitely not sit comfortable with the look
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Ivan
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| posted on 10/10/14 at 09:06 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by bumpy
quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
An air scoop on the bonnet seems like the way to go.
Unfortunately I have a classic looking JBA Falcon, like the one shown, and a scoop on the bonnet would definitely not sit comfortable with the look
Yes but boxing around the air filter with louvers in the bonnet would add to aesthetics.
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SPYDER
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| posted on 10/10/14 at 09:58 AM |
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My friend had the same worries with his Westfield re. underbonnet temperatures etc.
We tested the theory on a rolling road at Newark kit car show, bonnet on, bonnet off.
Back to back runs showed a difference of 1-2 hp in favour of bonnet off.
Not a true "on the road" test I grant you, but it did show that the difference was small on that particular car under those particular
circumstances.
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bumpy
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| posted on 10/10/14 at 09:59 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Ivan
quote:
Originally posted by bumpy
quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
An air scoop on the bonnet seems like the way to go.
Unfortunately I have a classic looking JBA Falcon, like the one shown, and a scoop on the bonnet would definitely not sit comfortable with the look
Yes but boxing around the air filter with louvers in the bonnet would add to aesthetics.
Nice idea if it was still being built, but its a newly finished project , with very expensive spray job 
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bumpy
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| posted on 10/10/14 at 10:03 AM |
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Has anyone experimented with something like this remote air filter from Car Builder Solutions
[Edited on 10/10/14 by bumpy]
[Edited on 10/10/14 by bumpy]
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