jazz44
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| posted on 19/12/12 at 12:08 AM |
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Ford 2.0 DOHC
Hi i have a Ford 2.0 DOHC that has come out of a ford sierra H reg (1990) this was an automatic car and i was just woundering what is involved with
mating it to a manual gearbox either type 9 or MT75 as ive heard a few saying about the sump on the manual and automatic is different with starter
motor posistion etc could someone possible give me a little idea because im rather confused at the moment.
many thanks jared.
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snapper
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| posted on 19/12/12 at 05:09 AM |
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A flywheel and clutch for a start
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Paul Turner
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| posted on 19/12/12 at 08:54 AM |
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Don't bother with it, not worth the hassle. Its a heavy engine for starter and very tall. There are very few parts available for them.
Flog it and fit a Zetec.
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jazz44
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| posted on 19/12/12 at 09:55 AM |
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thanks i knew i needed clutch and flywheel, ive been told this by some one else about the zetec, i have the chance at a 1.6 zetec cheap i might go
down that route does the type 9 gear box fit streight on the zetec engine
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Paul Turner
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| posted on 19/12/12 at 10:07 AM |
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If its a 1.6 Zetec as fitted to Mondeos and Escorts the type 9 will bolt strait on but again its not worth the effort. A 1.8 or preferably a 2.0 Zetec
will fit just as easily for the same cost and produce loads more power. The 1.6 is just not worth the effort unless you are racing in a class where
its the control engine.
If its the 1.6 Sigma engine as fitted to Fiesta's, Puma's, Focus you need an expensive bellhousing to fit it to a type 9. This is a very
good lightweight engine but will cost ££££'s to fit and tune to the same power level as a 2.0 Mondeo/Focus Zetec.
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jazz44
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| posted on 19/12/12 at 11:34 AM |
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ohhh well the zetec engine is currently in a focus so probably going to be expensive, i currently have all the running gear (diff shafts hubs brakes
rack etc) im just trying to work out what engine to choose as at the moment i have a 2.0 dohc but by the sounds of it would be hard work to fit, what
would you suggest to use as in engine and gearbox any suggestions?
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Paul Turner
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| posted on 19/12/12 at 11:52 AM |
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My view will be biased but since building my first kit in 1988 I have always been Ford based.
First car was X-Flow and Type 2 escort RWD box
Second car originally X-Flow and Type 2 escort RWD box
Then X-Flow and Type E Cortina Box
Then X-Flow and Type 9 Sierra Box
Since 2001 Zetec 2 .0 with type 9 box.
Zetec parts are plentiful and reasonably priced. A standard healthy Silvertop 2 litre on Weber carbs gives approx 165 bhp at the flywheel. Add 5 bhp
if you use a Blacktop and add another 5 bhp if you use throttle body injection.
If you intend to use the standard Ford injection you will get the standard ford 130 bhp plus a bit more since normally a Kit Car has a better flowing
exhaust.
To make things as simple as possible the engine would idealy be pre May 1995, this means that you don't need a CAT for IVA. Finding a good
engine of this vintage is probably near impossible today, I have one in the garage I am saving for a rainy day, but worry not, if you build it with a
minger you can put a newer one in later with no need to add the CAT.
As I said, I am biased.
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mcerd1
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| posted on 19/12/12 at 11:58 AM |
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you could fit any number of engines - just depends what you fancy and what bargains you can find 
for example: (cheapest first)
ford type 9 box will fit most ford 4cly engines (x-flow, pinto, CVH, zetec 1.8/2.0) and the long input version will fit the 2.8/2.9 V6's in the
cossie 24v (heavy!)
but there are bellhousings available (for a price) to suit rover K-series, Vauxhall XE, ford sigma (1.25/1.4/1.6/1.7), ford duratec (1.8/2.0/2.3), VAG
engines and Toyota 4AGE.. Etc
quite a few folk are moving on from the older pinto's and x-flows, that means there are some bargain engines for sale (often with a decent
amount of tuning) and these are still perfectly good engines to get you started (they also have a bonus of a pre-CAT emissions test for the IVA 
)
MX5 engines and boxes are getting quite popular as are BMW (even the 6cly M3 engines if you've got the space in the engine bay... )
the ford MT75 boxes mostly don't have removable bellhousings so are limited to the for 4cly or V6's without some kind of adapter plates
Rover V8's are still in a lot of cars if you've got the space (LT77 or R380 boxes)
The borg warner T5 box gives you a few options too - obviously the cossie YB, but other version of it suit various Yank V8's
but folk have also used the Vauxhall omega boxes to fit vauxhall and even Saab engines, and I've seen one westie with a VAG 1.9TD using a Toyota
supra box (with an adapter plate from the US)
some of these may need mod to the chassis to get them to fit depending on the chassis / design your starting from - but they have all been done
before
[Edited on 19/12/2012 by mcerd1]
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big_wasa
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| posted on 19/12/12 at 06:35 PM |
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The standard 2.0 silver top is 136bhp so even with the standard ecu, better breathing should get you near 150 bhp. I really wouldn't bother with
the dohc from the sierra but the 16v version found in the rs2000 ain't bad and starts at 150 bhp.
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Vindi_andy
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| posted on 8/3/13 at 04:28 PM |
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Im running the DOHC engine as it came with the donor vehicle and it goes OK. 110 BHP calculated at the flywheel. Not outstanding in a family saloon
but reasonable fun in the Kitcar.
Looking to upgrade myself but as a first one its seen me proud. 3 years of abuse on an MT75 and still going strong.
As has been said very little in the way of upgrades available but I do have a tuning guide that without spending a huge amout on a ECU should release
a few more horses. PM me if you want me to send it.
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emwmarine
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| posted on 9/3/13 at 01:34 PM |
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Ok, I am putting a blacktop in my car but would much rather not have a Cat and the emissions to worry about.
Any suggestions on where to source a pre-95 zetec that I can then swap for my lovingly fettled blacktop???
If only someone ran a lending service.
Brian
Building a Dax Rush.
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Dunbikin
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| posted on 9/3/13 at 03:39 PM |
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Where abouts are you, I think my spare silvertop is a '94, I will have a look tomorrow and post on here.
Ron said it would cost 250 quid. My wife thinks it did.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 9/3/13 at 03:51 PM |
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Silver top is the way to go.
Another cheap and simple option is a carbed 1600 CVH from a fwd no complicated electronics. not the greatest engine in the world but no CAT
required and it paves the way for droping a Silver top at later stage.
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emwmarine
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| posted on 9/3/13 at 04:06 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Dunbikin
Where abouts are you, I think my spare silvertop is a '94, I will have a look tomorrow and post on here. [/quote
Essex.
Building a Dax Rush.
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