Fandango
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| posted on 24/10/15 at 05:26 PM |
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Ford Engine Type Identification
Hi.
Probably a stupid newby question, but here goes;
Am looking at a Ford Mondeo 2.0 Zetec donor for our Locost
Just reading this resource and trying to identify the engine type;
http://www.toyne.org.uk/zetec-engine.html
We are looking for the "phase 3" engine with the non hydraulic valve lifters.
Reg number of potential donor is Y559CDU, it says Duratec HE on the plastic engine cover, and year of manufacture is 2001.
Can anyone here confirm what engine type this is?
Cheers
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." Hunter S Thompson
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big_wasa
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| posted on 24/10/15 at 05:37 PM |
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Its a Duratec.
The Mondeo mk3 had the duratec but the badge on the back could say zetec as its a trim spec.
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Fandango
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| posted on 24/10/15 at 05:43 PM |
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Cool, does that mean the "phase 3" as in the pasted article above?
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." Hunter S Thompson
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big_wasa
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| posted on 24/10/15 at 05:50 PM |
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No its a different engine.
Inlet and exhaust are back to front, the block is alloy and it has a timing chain not a belt but the most important bit is the bell housing pattern is
totally different.
Its a dam fine engine but the zetec is more solid and basic.
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Ugg10
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| posted on 24/10/15 at 05:51 PM |
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No, phase 1 and 2 in the article are generally know as silvertop and the phase 3 are blacktops due to the colour of the rocker cover. If you are after
a black top these can be bought brand new for around £800 not worth the gamble on a used donor imo.
FORD ZETEC 2.0 LITRE PETROL BLACK TOP DOHC ENGINE SUITABLE KIT CAR ETC. - NEW
Duratecs are a totally different animal, exhaust on the other side, do not bolt up to old ford rwd gearboxes. Zetecs will bolt straight up to a type 9
or mt75 gearbox.
The only complication is the st170 engine as this says duratec on the rocker cover but it is a zetec engine with a variable valve head.
As already said the zetec badge on the back is a trim level and nothing to do with the engine so forget about that.
Final point is that there are also zetec SE engines that are more like the duratec in design but these are small engines in 1.25, 1.4, 1.6 and 1.7 in
the Fiesta, focus and puma.
But I would buy a new blacktop and go from there, easy 160hp and simple to fit.
Hope this helps.
[Edited on 24/10/15 by Ugg10]
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Fandango
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| posted on 24/10/15 at 06:49 PM |
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Excellent info guys. So blacktop it is, as I have a type 9, 5 speed in my shed, and our car already has a 4 speed (MT75?), with its 1.3 X-flow.
Cheers
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." Hunter S Thompson
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big_wasa
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| posted on 24/10/15 at 06:52 PM |
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I have bought a few lemons recently and one from a forum member (not zetecs) but I would buy a good used zetec any day. There are so many out there
you can get a sub 100k engine for sub £100.
The bits to make it work cost the money making the engine disposable. Clean it thrash it kill it and start again.
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mcerd1
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| posted on 24/10/15 at 06:57 PM |
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^^ as above its a duratec (i.e. fords tweaked version of a Mazda MZR)
quote:
Mondeo 2001-2007, 2.0L Duratec HE SEFI (145PS), Amparo Blue
VIN Number: WF05XXGBB51B61004
Registration Number: Y559CDU
First Registration Date: 02.07.2001
Registration Country: GB
Primary Features
Build Date: 15.05.2001
Vehicle Line: Mondeo 2001-2007
Body Style: 5 Door Saloon
Version: Series 20
Engine: 2.0L Duratec HE SEFI (145PS)
Transmission: 5-Speed Manual Trans - MTX75
Drive: RHD FWD
Axle Ratio: 4.06
Emission: 2000 EEC (EEC 7)
Air Conditioning: Manual Air Conditioning
Territory: (+)"GB"
Paint: Amparo Blue
Interior Colour: State Blue
Interior Fabric: Zeus
its actually one of the best 2.0 engines you can get, but as above it needs aftermarket bellhousings and other bits and bobs to make it work in a RWD
layout and they cost a bit extra over the zetec.
If you want an easy way to find a Ph3 zetec you need to look for a mk1 Focus (1998 - 2005) after that the focus got the duratec too....
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mcerd1
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| posted on 24/10/15 at 07:01 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Fandango
....and our car already has a 4 speed (MT75?), with its 1.3 X-flow.
that's probably a type 2 box - the MT75 was the last box used in the sierra's (all MT75's are 5 speed)
the type 2 is small and all cast iron and fairly weak.
the MT75 is big, with alloy casings and fairly strong as standard (although harder to get upgrades for than the type 9)
both of these normally have integral bellhousings (unlike the type 9)
have a read through these - there is a page for each engine and each gearbox too 
http://www.burtonpower.com/tuning-guides.html
[Edited on 24/10/2015 by mcerd1]
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