mikeb
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| posted on 13/3/19 at 12:53 PM |
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Lowered Zetec Sump Options
After spending quite a lot of effort on modifying my two part blacktop sump I have admitted defeat, it still leaks. I think the steel section warped
when I welded it. It held for a while but now my garage floor is a mess. Not sure it would have been good for a track day either so probably best to
upgrade.
So I'm looking at options - I can't afford a new raceline one at £550.
I'd like opinoins if anyone has actually used the Tiger ERA aluminium sump or the Kit Spares Steel single part sump.
https://www.kitspares.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1190
https://www.tigerracing.com/shop/engines-parts/293-sump-zetec-black-top.html
They are both a similar price around £320 (still a lot). I found one bad review for the Tiger one quoting that the first long roundabout the oil light
came on due to poor design. I'd like a bit more experience to back that up.
Alternatively if anyone has a used Raceline I'd take it off your hands.
I've looked on the Dunnell and Scholar websites discounted Scholar as I don't have an exchange to give them.
http://www.dunnellengines.com/zetec_components.php?partno=RMP1400C
I think the Dunnell gets good reviews and seem more track proven for the odd track day so was heading that way?
Just found reference to the Neil Dunne TMR sump
https://www.tmrsupplies.co.uk/products/brisca-f2-zetec-sump-kit-neil-dunne/
Slightly cheaper than the other options?
[Edited on 13/3/19 by mikeb]
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SJ
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| posted on 13/3/19 at 01:30 PM |
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Where's it leaking? I'm pretty crap at welding and after a few goes mine is oil tight. Did you just chop it or were you trying to do
something more complex like extending it? Maybe get another BT metal part and get someone to weld it for you?
Would be way cheaper and I'm sure there are some guys on here who would do it for not much money.
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 13/3/19 at 01:30 PM |
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Think I would be looking at getting another steel sump and modify that ? Might be a good idea to get hold of another ally part and bolting the steel
section to it before welding? TIG welding may be better than MIG.?
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mikeb
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| posted on 13/3/19 at 01:40 PM |
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I'm done with modifying its been off and on three times, over tightened the ally part and stripped some threads, helicoiled them etc,
can't face trying again to be disappointed.
Its leaking from the join not my welding, but yes I did extend it. The mistake was not bolting it to the ally part when welding doh.
I've got some xmas money in cheques that needs using so happy to get one that will work well on track, its a nearly new engine so worth the
spend.
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fossett
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| posted on 13/3/19 at 01:56 PM |
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Hi,
I went with Dunnell about 5 years ago and it has proven leak free and is still going strong.
It comes with a couple of modified Main bearing bolts, Windage tray, Oil Pickup and gasket, and silver top sump gasket.
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Fandango
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| posted on 13/3/19 at 04:21 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by fossett
Hi,
I went with Dunnell about 5 years ago and it has proven leak free and is still going strong.
It comes with a couple of modified Main bearing bolts, Windage tray, Oil Pickup and gasket, and silver top sump gasket.
You and me both.
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me." Hunter S Thompson
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DavidW
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| posted on 13/3/19 at 04:31 PM |
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I have the Raceline sump which although expensive is very good. Plenty of baffling in there for track use too.
Not quite what you were asking but I weighed up the cost and hassle and engine failure.
David
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Matth93
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| posted on 13/3/19 at 04:52 PM |
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I'm running the tiger sump on my car and have had no problems. When I got the engine it was on it already but when I stripped it they
hadn't put any windage tray or anything in it just the pickup pipe so I added them parts from tiger and it has been ok for nearly 3 years now, I
haven't done any track days with it but have done 2 car limits days and lots of hard road driving.
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pekwah1
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| posted on 13/3/19 at 05:47 PM |
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I chopped the sump but payed someone else to weld it.
Cost bugger all and still going strong over a year later!
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chris
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| posted on 13/3/19 at 08:49 PM |
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i have the NEIL DUNNE sump very good quality it has never leaked which is good cos it holds 6 1/4 litres of oil
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mark.silcock
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| posted on 14/3/19 at 01:18 PM |
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So just stumbled on this topic and am now a little concerned.
We purchased a unfinished car last summer and are about to take it for its IVA.
It has the Tiger alloy sump installed. We ended up swapping the Zetec that was in the car to an older 1192 RS1800 engine to get around the
emissions.
The Tiger sump was swapped over and from memory the baffles were standard Zetec ie identical on both engines. I will be checking tonight what's
still on the original engine.
I have read on the Tiger website that it is not recommended for track days which baffles me (see what i've done there!) why a kit car
manufacturer would design and manufacture something that doesnt work when driving the car hard!
What options are there to improve the Tiger sump?
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Davedew
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| posted on 14/3/19 at 01:36 PM |
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You say it is leaking where the steel lower, and ali upper bolt together. What sealant did you use?
I used a generic RTV silicone sump sealer from our local auto factors and it was complete rubbish.
Leaked the first time I started the engine after fitting it.
When I stripped down to investigate it was as though the sealant had dissolved.
Bought the correct Loctite sealant Ford use from Ebay, cleaned and re-sealed with this and it has been perfect ever since.
Might be worth a try.
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FatChapChipChop
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| posted on 14/3/19 at 03:54 PM |
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I've used Scholar engines in the past. They want an unmodified sump in exchange .. http://www.scholarengines.co.uk/Lowline%20sump.htm
£250 and works extremely well.
Cheers !!
Neil
Drive fast, don't look back!
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FatChapChipChop
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| posted on 14/3/19 at 03:56 PM |
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quote:
What options are there to improve the Tiger sump?
The Tiger (ERA) sump is just a pan, there are no baffles in it at all. They offer some "bracketry" to hang off the windage tray fixings.
It is only good for the road, and will not tolerate aggressive cornering. You'll get oil surge for certain even with the bracketry.
Drive fast, don't look back!
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