nick baker
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| posted on 27/1/05 at 09:40 PM |
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Bike Engine Dimensions
Hi all....
I have a brief question that will most likely lead into a million more. I've been directed to this forum by the nice chaps at Powertech (the
engine building bods at the Radical Clubsport company)
I'm desperately searching for the dimensions and mounting coordinates for ANY high-end bike engine. ZZR1100, CBR1000, R1 or even a hay-bus.
IF anyone is able to give any hints as to where I can find this, I'd be eternally greatful. Anything I get wil be converted into ProEngineer
files, and susequently any other format that can be produced by that poor excuse of a program.
I'd also like to know one small thing.... the CBR600 and 1000..... are they essentially in the same block, or am I dreaming?
reason.... I'm designing a Silouhette Mini, destined to be mid-engined and bike powered. Here in Sweden, NOTHING with a power to weight ratio
of over 200bhp/ton will pass the SVA equivalent. So standard procedure here is to simply drop a bigger lump into the vehicle afterwards. I'm
wondering if a de-tune will give the same outcome, but I'm not sure..... anyway, if the 600 and 1000 had the same mounting points, that might
just be a tad beneficial.
Thanks for any info, advice or abuse anyone may wish to send my way...
All the best,
Nick.
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chunkielad
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| posted on 27/1/05 at 09:52 PM |
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the guys and girls at Bike Chat Forums will most likely measure their engines for you as they're a nice
bunch or even Visordown.
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mangogrooveworkshop
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| posted on 27/1/05 at 10:28 PM |
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Simple put some huge leadweights in it to kill the power to weight ratio. Ala BTCC 
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colibriman
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| posted on 27/1/05 at 11:23 PM |
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I could give you roughly measured dimensions of an R1 if that would help, and for mounting points...but how accurate would you need it to be?
as a thought, whichever engine you go for you could get a restrictor kit for it - this might get around the rules
HTH
Colin
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SVA ready Mk Indyblade possibly for sale.....if the offers good...!
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nick baker
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| posted on 28/1/05 at 11:35 AM |
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Hi again 
Thanks for the tips guys... Lead weights might just work, but I'm sure that the SVA (equivalent) inspector would smell a rat.
Fortunately I've just discovered that one of my colleagues has a mate who SVA's road legal dragsters and hotrods. They're way over
the 200bhp 'limit', so a loophole MUST exist somewhere.
Colin: I'd be endebted if you'd be able to give some basic measurments... you seem to be able to supply them too... might be useful in
the future
As for accuracy, it's not a big thing at the moment... so long as I have enough info to make sure that I can build enough room into the
framework. A set of piccies taken with a meter ruler next to it would even be good enough. 'Exact sizing' of the Engine mounts can come
later... the ability to work out where I need to connect with the chassis is the first goal.
De-Tuning.... would a simple inlet restrictor do the job? (á la Formula Student/SAE)
thanks again, and have a great weekend. 
All the best..
Nick
edited due to 'O'face smiley problems.
[Edited on 28/1/05 by nick baker]
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colibriman
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| posted on 28/1/05 at 01:25 PM |
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Hi Nick,
U2U me your email address and I'll send you some pictures.
cheers
Colin
need a bike engine? - www.colibriman.com
SVA ready Mk Indyblade possibly for sale.....if the offers good...!
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nick baker
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| posted on 28/1/05 at 01:48 PM |
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Cheers Colin, you're a saviour!!!
N.
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Rorty
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| posted on 29/1/05 at 03:22 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by nick baker
Hi all....
I have a brief question that will most likely lead into a million more. I've been directed to this forum by the nice chaps at Powertech (the
engine building bods at the Radical Clubsport company)
I'm desperately searching for the dimensions and mounting coordinates for ANY high-end bike engine. ZZR1100, CBR1000, R1 or even a hay-bus.
IF anyone is able to give any hints as to where I can find this, I'd be eternally greatful. Anything I get wil be converted into ProEngineer
files, and susequently any other format that can be produced by that poor excuse of a program.
I'd also like to know one small thing.... the CBR600 and 1000..... are they essentially in the same block, or am I dreaming?
reason.... I'm designing a Silouhette Mini, destined to be mid-engined and bike powered. Here in Sweden, NOTHING with a power to weight ratio
of over 200bhp/ton will pass the SVA equivalent. So standard procedure here is to simply drop a bigger lump into the vehicle afterwards. I'm
wondering if a de-tune will give the same outcome, but I'm not sure..... anyway, if the 600 and 1000 had the same mounting points, that might
just be a tad beneficial.
Thanks for any info, advice or abuse anyone may wish to send my way...
All the best,
Nick.
Are you any relation of Niko Baker the bike builder?
U2U or email me and let me know which engines you want. I have mounting dimensions down to .025 mm.
With some Brands, their 600s share the same bottom ends as their 400s and some share the 750 bottom end.
AFAIK, the 1000s are mostly all dedicated castings with the exception of some of the bigger Kwaks which are based around the GPZ900 engine.
Cheers, Rorty.
"Faster than a speeding Pullet".
PLEASE DON'T U2U ME IF YOU WANT A QUICK RESPONSE. TRY EMAILING ME INSTEAD!
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nick baker
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| posted on 1/2/05 at 03:00 PM |
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LMAO.
Hi Rorty,
No relation to Niko at all so far as I know...
With Colin's help I've managed to get my engine choice to be somehwere around the R1 area, THe Hay-bus dimensions might still be of
interest though as I might end up getting bored with 300Bhp/ton and go in search of more.... I'll U2U you.
chees all,
N.
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 3/2/05 at 05:06 PM |
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Hi Nick
Is this download any use? Its a CAD drawing from DPCars.net of a
busa engine drawn in Pro-Engineer, if you Google for "free IGES reader" several apps crop up to download assuming you don't have
access to a full CAD package
Chris
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nick baker
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| posted on 3/2/05 at 07:03 PM |
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Thanks Chris!!
I found that file on a forum somewhere else some time ago... but it had been corrupted.
I'll try it at work tomorrow. (I have full ProE there.... so no problem with reading the files )
Rorty send a fantastic PDF file to me... if This DPcars file doesn't work, I'll created my own model.
I'll keep you posted!!
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ChrisGamlin
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| posted on 4/2/05 at 03:47 PM |
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You probably found the one on the Yahoo BEC list? I noticed it was corrupt the other day and meant to delete it along with loads of other crap that
people have uploaded over the years.
Would you believe there was even a spreadsheet on there that detailed a survey of different bondage techniques that people used LOL (obviously not a
survey of people on the BEC list, just some random punter using it as web space!). Suffice to say that one got deleted.
Chris
[Edited on 4/2/05 by ChrisGamlin]
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nick baker
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| posted on 4/2/05 at 08:04 PM |
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yup. that's the one.
DAMMIT, spent all day at work dealing with pure and utter incompetence, and totally forgot to check the model.
Bondage?? hmm.. what was the favourite? LOL
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