RazMan
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 posted on 26/10/06 at 09:10 PM |
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Finally .... IT'S MAPPED!
I went back for my final mapping session today and despite a few 'challenges' we actually finished this time.
We got 202.6 bhp @ 6537 rpm & 180.3 lbft @4983 rpm and I'm fairly happy with that for the time being ....... until the supercharger gets
strapped on 
Not without drama though - at an indicated 150mph a CV boot blew and covered everything (and everyone) with the Satan's snot that is CV grease
............ what a mess!
Next stop SVA  .jpg)
Cheers,
Raz
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ned
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| posted on 26/10/06 at 09:16 PM |
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congrats razman!
did you take it back to the same place in the end?
a little suprised it didn't make a bit more than that if I'm honest. my 2ltr 4pot made more power with a little less torque but with
forced induction you should be cooking on gas
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RazMan
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| posted on 26/10/06 at 09:55 PM |
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Yep, I went back to the same place, as they had already part-mapped it and it really just needed tidying up.
I was expecting about 200bhp as the standard V6 makes about 170bhp and I have simply added the SVT200 top end - ideal for some FI action later
If I had the choice of engine again, I probably wouldn't go for the V6 - mainly due to the expense of getting a custom ecu and loom. Still .....
it sounds really nice at full chat!
Cheers,
Raz
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greggors84
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| posted on 26/10/06 at 11:40 PM |
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I take it the 3 cats have gone too.
Ive been looking at the SVT inlet for my ST24, its got a superchip and cat back exhaust but no idea what its running. Super chips quote +15bhp, but im
not so sure.
You get the parts from the states?
Chris
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RazMan
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| posted on 27/10/06 at 07:15 AM |
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All the cats have run off and I am running an MBE ecu.
I got the SVT stuff from an American Contour which has the same engine as the SVT200 over here. Nice, easy mod which literally took less than an hour
to do, although I also removed the secondary butterflies to increase airflow a little more. I am still running the ST24 throttle body so there might
be a couple more horses waiting to be released once I find an SVT TB (about 3mm larger bore iirc)
Cheers,
Raz
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NS Dev
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| posted on 27/10/06 at 07:16 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by RazMan
Yep, I went back to the same place, as they had already part-mapped it and it really just needed tidying up.
I was expecting about 200bhp as the standard V6 makes about 170bhp and I have simply added the SVT200 top end - ideal for some FI action later
If I had the choice of engine again, I probably wouldn't go for the V6 - mainly due to the expense of getting a custom ecu and loom. Still .....
it sounds really nice at full chat!
Nice one!! Glad to hear you've got it sorted!!!
I wouldn't choose the V6, you want a vauxhall blah blah!! lol
Of course I would choose the v6, it sounds so much better its worth it just for that alone!!!!!
Myself of course, would never select an engine on noise characteristics, I'm using the v twins purely because of their torque
curve......................
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retro car restoration and tuning
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02GF74
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| posted on 27/10/06 at 07:46 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ned
a little suprised it didn't make a bit more than that if I'm honest.
Are these instruments calibrated to some strict standard? I somehow doubt it and I'll bet 50 p that if you took it to another RR, you will get
different numbers.
big numbers = bragging rights but the proof is in the driving so don't worry about it.
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RazMan
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| posted on 27/10/06 at 08:51 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
Are these instruments calibrated to some strict standard? I somehow doubt it and I'll bet 50 p that if you took it to another RR, you will get
different numbers.
I am certainly not aware of any calibration rules regarding these places, and I have no doubt that some of the more chavvy RR companies massage their
figures to attract the 'my dick is bigger than yours' brigade.
The company I went to have done a lot with Noble and a few other prestigious companies (although they probably all say that) and they certainly seemed
to know their stuff - but mapping is just like Voodoo to me so I probably wouldn't know if they were crap anyway!
Cheers,
Raz
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ned
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| posted on 27/10/06 at 08:55 AM |
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Well I'm pretty sure Razman went to the same rollers as I did so we could do a direct comparison
Are there aftermarket cams available for your engine to allow the engine to pickup a bit better or will you have to be careful on any cam choice to
suit a blower?
Ned.
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RazMan
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| posted on 27/10/06 at 09:09 AM |
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The name of the company is Track'n'Road Power Performance in Rainham - is that the place Ned?
Sadly the V6 is not really supported very well by the tuning companies and finding anything in the UK can be a bit of a challenge, hence my SVT
import.
Cheers,
Raz
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ned
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| posted on 27/10/06 at 11:13 AM |
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yep that's where I went, the two steve's.
my roller plot is in my archive.
Ned.
ps you got any pics?
like this?
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/upload/IMG_2089b.jpg
also got a couple of vids on my putfile account:
http://media.putfile.com/rolling-road-93
http://media.putfile.com/rolling-road-75
[Edited on 27/10/06 by ned]
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RazMan
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| posted on 27/10/06 at 11:39 AM |
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That's them!
I tried to take a video of the power run but when the CV boot blew, it scared the bejesus out of me so much I fumbled the camera and managed to delete
it!
Your vids are good! Notice that metallic noise on the slow-down? I thought that was coming from my engine 
[Edited on 27-10-06 by RazMan]
 
Rescued attachment Rolling Road.jpg
Cheers,
Raz
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ned
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| posted on 27/10/06 at 12:09 PM |
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I had heard there was a lack of support but at the sametime I am quite suprised as I know noble and I'm sure someone else uses turbocharged
versions of your engine. I also know that mountune have done a LOT of work with the ford derived v6's with jag heads ie the x/s-type 3.0 v6
unit. I've spoken to Ewan at Juno and they're upto 400 odd bhp now with their large bore top spec package when I saw them at a britsports
meeting earlier in the year.
Are the jag heads a straight swap and are they worth any more hp on their own or in conjunction with some tuning bits (if available)?
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RazMan
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| posted on 27/10/06 at 12:53 PM |
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The Jag heads probably wouldn't drop straight on as they are 3 litre and use single ports which are oval in shape. I definitely think that
supercharging is the best way to get more power.
Cheers,
Raz
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tks
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| posted on 27/10/06 at 04:31 PM |
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yeah
and the fastest..
not the cheapest..
problems i only smell is how much is the limit of your engine!!
how do you know??
Tks
The above comments are always meant to be from the above persons perspective.
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RazMan
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| posted on 27/10/06 at 04:33 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by tks
problems i only smell is how much is the limit of your engine!!
how do you know??
Easy - when it goes BANG you have reached the limit
Cheers,
Raz
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ned
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| posted on 27/10/06 at 08:21 PM |
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when it goes BANG you have just passed the limit, simply back it off a bit beforehand and it'll be fine 
ps is yours a 2.5 or 3ltr razman?
is the jag engine that different ie would it 'drop' in the space if you ever felt the need? ie engine mounts etc etc.
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RazMan
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| posted on 27/10/06 at 09:19 PM |
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Mine is a 2.5. The 3.0 Jag engine is pretty much identical as far as most mountings are concerned and I know of a single seater version of my car
which is making 330bhp on throttle bodies with super lightweight stuff - it apparently does 0-60 in 2.9 seconds
[Edited on 27-10-06 by RazMan]
Cheers,
Raz
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greggors84
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| posted on 31/10/06 at 12:16 AM |
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Raz, have you got a link for where you bought the SVT stuff from? Or did you source it yourself?
Chris
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RazMan
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| posted on 31/10/06 at 07:04 AM |
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All sourced via eBay - although I was poking around on some of the US forums hoping to get some info there - might be worth a try.
http://www.contour.org/
http://www.newcougar.org/forums/
[Edited on 31-10-06 by RazMan]
Cheers,
Raz
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ned
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| posted on 31/10/06 at 07:24 PM |
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for the uninformed, what is this SVT stuff you mention ?
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RazMan
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| posted on 31/10/06 at 09:54 PM |
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SVT = Special Vehicle Team and is the US flavoured go-faster goodies arm of Ford.
Cheers,
Raz
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