bj928
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| posted on 8/7/07 at 03:47 PM |
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ford 4.6 v8 NEW
can i have some comments please, what would this engine be worth, its brand new, all alloy heads and block, rated at 375bhp and 365Ib/ft, it revs to
7000rpm, has 32v quad cam heads, has carbs and the ignition is included, also flywheel for manual or auto, basicly stick it in the engine bay, add a
couple of wires and some fuel and fire it up. clutch and gearbox would be standard mustang 5 or 6 speed or auto
thinking of shipping a few in but want some feedback first.
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bilbo
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| posted on 8/7/07 at 03:55 PM |
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There is a firm who import similar engine packages:
http://www.ekmpowershop.com/ekmps/shops/powertorqueen/index.asp?function=DISPLAYCAT&catid=8
Might give you a feeling for price.
Of course, you can always sell me one for £10 
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bj928
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| posted on 8/7/07 at 04:12 PM |
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most those v8's need inlet or at least carb and are cast iron block and low revving, and they are less HP, and all need ignition, the only one
that is all alloy and 25hp more is almost £12000!!!!!.
british american engines are even dearer.
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bilbo
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| posted on 8/7/07 at 04:19 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by bj928
most those v8's need inlet or at least carb and are cast iron block and low revving, and they are less HP, and all need ignition, the only one
that is all alloy and 25hp more is almost £12000!!!!!.
british american engines are even dearer.
You could well be on to a winner then if you can seriously undercut the opposition 
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mark-wiring
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| posted on 8/7/07 at 04:31 PM |
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Well put it this way £12000 is far too much i know how much John has in mind and its fair to say it will surprise you when you consider the
alternatives.
What John is after is what people really think this engine package is worth and if any one is really that interested they will actually want one
http://www.v10viento.co.uk
Have to recommend
http://www.extraefi.co.uk/
For all Megasquirt needs
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Deckman001
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| posted on 8/7/07 at 04:50 PM |
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I would have thought a Cobra forum would be a better bet ??
Jason
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Syd Bridge
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| posted on 8/7/07 at 04:54 PM |
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You would need injection and an ecu to get one of those on the road. Remember, they're new engines and need cats.
In the USA, a quad cam with all the ancillaries, including the full injection system, can be had NEW for less than $9kusd. And in some cases much
less. My mate in Minneapolis has had them for less than half the above price, direct from the ford assembly line, and then the QA checking section.
Also, those carb engines are probably marine engines with car exhaust manifolds. They'll also have slightly hotter cams. The marine items can be
bought in pairs, in Florida, for less than $10k. Just got to shop around.
Cheers,
Syd. 
[Edited on 8/7/07 by Syd Bridge]
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Bob C
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| posted on 8/7/07 at 05:59 PM |
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you could build up a 4.6 rover V8, all new, for about 3 grand - but it would be 100 horse down on that; It would be considerably smaller (no dual
overhead cams on each bank) and probably quite a bit lighter ????
That does look like an interesting package but as said above, the carb would be slung for a street kit
Bob
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mark-wiring
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| posted on 8/7/07 at 06:48 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Syd Bridge
You would need injection and an ecu to get one of those on the road. Remember, they're new engines and need cats.
In the USA, a quad cam with all the ancillaries, including the full injection system, can be had NEW for less than $9kusd. And in some cases much
less. My mate in Minneapolis has had them for less than half the above price, direct from the ford assembly line, and then the QA checking section.
Also, those carb engines are probably marine engines with car exhaust manifolds. They'll also have slightly hotter cams. The marine items can be
bought in pairs, in Florida, for less than $10k. Just got to shop around.
Cheers,
Syd.
[Edited on 8/7/07 by Syd Bridge]
Engine comes complete with ecu and its carb so dont need injection.
All you need to add to this is engine mounts clutch and gearbox exhausts cats wont be required if the car is a Q plate or even if it has an age
related plate thats before cats were required.
Its not a marine engine.
http://www.v10viento.co.uk
Have to recommend
http://www.extraefi.co.uk/
For all Megasquirt needs
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mark-wiring
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| posted on 8/7/07 at 06:53 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Bob C
you could build up a 4.6 rover V8, all new, for about 3 grand - but it would be 100 horse down on that; It would be considerably smaller (no dual
overhead cams on each bank) and probably quite a bit lighter ????
That does look like an interesting package but as said above, the carb would be slung for a street kit
Bob
Whats wrong with a carb engine?
http://www.v10viento.co.uk
Have to recommend
http://www.extraefi.co.uk/
For all Megasquirt needs
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bilbo
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| posted on 8/7/07 at 07:03 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by mark-wiring
Whats wrong with a carb engine?
Nothing, except as it's a new engine, it will have to go through the latest emission tests at SVA, which a carb will not be able to pass. 
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mark-wiring
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| posted on 8/7/07 at 07:06 PM |
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Ahh that could be true.
Upgrade engine tho would be perfect idea?
http://www.v10viento.co.uk
Have to recommend
http://www.extraefi.co.uk/
For all Megasquirt needs
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Simon
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| posted on 8/7/07 at 07:13 PM |
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bg/mark,
Don't want to dampen anyones enthusiasm, but I have the 16 valve version of that engine in my ZT260, and compared to the R V8, it's
massive.
Now, the Chevy LS1 (which produces around 400bhp) is about the same size and weight as the R V8, so may be a better bet. Get me (a complete/low
mileage) one of those with 5 speed box, and I'll happily find a grand for you
ATB
Simon
[Edited on 8/7/07 by Simon]
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NS Dev
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| posted on 8/7/07 at 07:31 PM |
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No idea on the lower spec engines, but I know that my mate at ultima pays around £11,000 for a 700hp, 600lbft torque 377ci chevy smallblock running on
a carb, with all steel bottom end, etc etc, so £12k for half the power is not cheap! (ps this is an aftermarket alloy head and alloy block engine, no
cast iron stuff!
I think you are looking at around £5k to £5.5k for a brand new 350ci, 350hp LS1 chevy these days, and around £3k for the same power from a
"new" smallblock
[Edited on 8/7/07 by NS Dev]
[Edited on 8/7/07 by NS Dev]
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rickys2000
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| posted on 8/7/07 at 07:52 PM |
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BJ/Mark
Its a good idea to bring competition and more choice to the market, but, what do you intend to do or plan to do for aftersales, warranty, spares etc.
if you sell any units
thx
Ricky
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Syd Bridge
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| posted on 9/7/07 at 09:06 AM |
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quote:
Engine comes complete with ecu and its carb so dont need injection.
All you need to add to this is engine mounts clutch and gearbox exhausts cats wont be required if the car is a Q plate or even if it has an age
related plate thats before cats were required.
Its not a marine engine.
How does the ecu control the carb mixture? At best, it's for ignition only.
Take the car exhaust manifolds off, and that engine in the pics looks EXACTLY like a bare, crate, marine engine.
If it comes with a carb as standard, it's not produced for road use. Ask your friendly SVO or Ford marine agent. Although, the yanks seem to get
away with them in street rods.
Cheers,
Syd.
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