Dave Bailey
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| posted on 22/11/07 at 06:56 PM |
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Zetec Water Pump Rotation
Hi!,
I think I read somewhere that the phase 3 zetec water pump runs anticlockwise and yet the earlier zetec ran clockwise. Anyone know if this is the
case plus which pump I need to buy to get the pump to run clockwise if in fact I have it the correct way round?
Dave B
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r1_pete
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| posted on 22/11/07 at 07:05 PM |
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Yep, my phase 3 1.8 ex Focus motor, has the pump spining anti clock, I dont think there is a clockwise version for the 3, its totally different to the
phase 1 & 2, but hope someone proves me wrong it would mean I can simplify my belt arrangement.
Rgds.
Pete.
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jonno
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| posted on 22/11/07 at 07:14 PM |
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So what way does the 1.8 from a mondeo run ?...thought i was ok with the 1.8 !, so might need one from a 1.8 escort 
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r1_pete
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| posted on 22/11/07 at 07:16 PM |
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Escort zetec is phase 1 & 2, Phase 3 is completely different, the water pump is offset to the right when you're facing the engine:
If the Escort impeller will fit the Ph 3, we might be in with a shout at CW rotation.
[Edited on 22/11/07 by r1_pete]
 
Rescued attachment zetec.jpg
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theconrodkid
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| posted on 22/11/07 at 07:18 PM |
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depends on weather the car had power steering or not,you need the non pas pump,as for the blick top i believe you can get the right direction one from
the good old us of a
who cares who wins
pass the pork pies
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Dusty
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| posted on 22/11/07 at 07:33 PM |
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All 2l mondeo zetecs pumps are designed to run anticlockwise viewed from in front of the engine(apart from the usa one). 1.8 silvertop escort water
pumps are designed to run clockwise and bolt straight on to 2l silvertops. Get the 1.8's ribbed pulley as well. Phase 3 or blacktop zetecs can
use the usa pump or more usually an idler-pulley fitted above and to the right (viewed from in front of the engine) of the pump pulley so the pump can
be driven anticlockwise from the back of the belt.
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/photos.php?action=showphoto&photo=blacktop.jpg
[Edited on 23/11/07 by Dusty]
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Werner Van Loock
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| posted on 22/11/07 at 07:40 PM |
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Silvertop/phase1/2:
-escort1.6/1.8: clockwise metal impeller
-mondeo1.6/1.8/2.0: anti clockwise plastic impeller interchangeable with the escort unit
Blacktop/phase3: anti-clockwise and complete different pump then the silvertop, so not interchangeable
You'll need a idler pulley to get this one working.
Maybe that in the US a different one exists, but certainly not in the EU.
Here's a example on how to do it on a blacktop/phase3 zetec:
source: www.gtmlibra.nl
http://www.clubstylus.be
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madteg
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| posted on 22/11/07 at 08:22 PM |
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black top
Just to let you all know my engine is a black top with a silver top sump,oil pump, oil pick up,cam cover,inlet/exhaust manifolds and a home made idler
bearing. So they are not so different. The main difference is that the cam followers are solid shimmed,as the hydralic followers tend to fail at high
revs, hope this has helped.
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Dave Bailey
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| posted on 22/11/07 at 09:39 PM |
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Which way does the crank pulley rotate on a phase three or I suppose any zetec?
clockwise?
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r1_pete
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| posted on 22/11/07 at 09:53 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by madteg
Just to let you all know my engine is a black top with a silver top sump,oil pump, oil pick up,cam cover,inlet/exhaust manifolds and a home made idler
bearing. So they are not so different. The main difference is that the cam followers are solid shimmed,as the hydralic followers tend to fail at high
revs, hope this has helped.
Now I'm really interested, the Ph2 sump can be fitted? if I can get rid of the intermediate sump I wouldn't need to mod the suspension
cross member on the MGB, any more details / pics on what you've done?
Rgds.
Pete.
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jonno
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| posted on 22/11/07 at 10:57 PM |
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Any idea if this is ok for a 1.8 mondeo (was a K plate, silver top) ??
ebay Item number: 200174030631
Cheers
and i thought i was getting somewhere !!
[Edited on 22/11/07 by jonno]
having fun on a budget 
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Dusty
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| posted on 23/11/07 at 12:25 AM |
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That water pump converts mondeo zetecs to kit car friendly rotation. You will need the pulley as well. The 'wrong' rotation mondeo/focus
pumps have an outlet that angles down about 30 degrees and about 20 degrees back toward the flywheel end of the engine. The correct escort pump outlet
angles down about 30 deg but at right angles to the side of the engine. ie parallel to the front face of the engine.
Werner, doesn't the arrangement you show turn the alternator in the 'wrong' direction? Does that work OK or do you have to fit a
honda alternator or something.
[Edited on 23/11/07 by Dusty]
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djtom
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| posted on 23/11/07 at 12:50 AM |
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The water pump still works quite happily when turned in the wrong direction as it is a centrifugal pump, not a screw pump, so don't worry too
much about it. It's probably slightly less effective, but mine is running the wrong way and still managing to keep a ~200bhp silvertop Zetec
turbo cool with seeming ease.
Lots of people on the Westfield forum are running them the wrong way with no ill-effects as well.
Tom
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Werner Van Loock
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| posted on 23/11/07 at 07:21 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Dusty
Werner, doesn't the arrangement you show turn the alternator in the 'wrong' direction? Does that work OK or do you have to fit a
honda alternator or something.
[Edited on 23/11/07 by Dusty]
I think that it's a daihatsu charade alternator. It's not mine you know, just a picture i came across searching the net for zetec info.
And for most alternators direction doesn't matter as it's a AC generator with a rectifier mounted to it to make it around 14Vdc
http://www.clubstylus.be
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