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| posted on 22/12/03 at 12:23 AM |
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dutton phaeton
ayone know if theres anything from a dutton phaeton worth using in a locost?
thanks
mark
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 22/12/03 at 12:42 AM |
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before anyone else says it....
the v5 reg document and chassis number!
atb
steve
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PeetBee
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| posted on 22/12/03 at 08:20 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by stephen_gustersonthe v5 reg document and chassis number!
Ouch!
It should have an escort rear axle, the engine & gearbox should be ok and the prop is the right length to fit a locost as well (or so I was told
after selling my prop to a locoster), other than that not much other than 'fixtures & fittings'.
Unless it's an S1 or 2 which have got Triumph front suspension. This is pretty close in design to the locost front end.
A little radical here, but you could always put the Dutton on the road again? I am, but am modifying the front end/bonnet to make it more Seven like.
The rear end gives you a nice boot plus you can easily get sidescreens & roof (if that's important to you!)
I wouldn't use the logbook though, see previous threads for reasons why.
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| posted on 22/12/03 at 05:35 PM |
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the reason i ask is that thers one going near me for £300, but with 1700 engine on webers. This doesnt quite make it worth it, but if it saved me a
few bob elsewhere would think about it....
Thanks
Mark
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JoelP
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| posted on 22/12/03 at 06:43 PM |
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hi mark, is it that one on ebay? think i saw one on there...
i would buy it and use the engine and the bar from the chassis with the chassis number on it as the basis for your car, then you dont need to bother
with SVA test. I think that this IS legal, though i wouldnt guarantee it.
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| posted on 22/12/03 at 07:03 PM |
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yeah, the one on ebay. emailed the guy and if no bids is mine for £300, subject to me looking at it.
How would I explore this further? Does anyone know whether this is a legal option for me? Hadn't really thought of using chassis no. etc, but
calculated that if engine was 1760cc, then it must have had a bit of work done to it, and must be worth something. Also, propshaft, box etc.
But then, treating this as single donor would defeat the purpose of me having bought a £70 mk1 escort!! hmmmmph
am confused now
any suggestions??
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JoelP
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| posted on 22/12/03 at 07:30 PM |
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I suspect it depends how you word it. if you asked a copper if you could do that, he would say no.
but if you took a hammer to the chassis and dented it, then you can replace any bits that are bent. You could also replace most of the chassis at the
same time, in fact all but the chassis number bit! then use the engine, but also replace all the running gear if you wanted. then swap the engine as
well. So there would be nothing original left, but it is technically still the same car.
So really, you can do all the stages in one and just use the chassis plates on a new build, using one bar so you're not completely lying!
not sure if the MOT man would notice it wasnt a dutton anymore, but you could just tell him its had a new homebuilt chassis.
nothing lost if he wont stand for it, cept then you would have to do the SVA test i guess...
i'd try it just for the sake of it myself!
as for the MK1 escort, restore it!
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| posted on 22/12/03 at 10:42 PM |
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think the old chap is a bit past restoration, but could sell what I have left.
so many options......
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PeetBee
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| posted on 23/12/03 at 11:25 AM |
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If it's got ford wheels on the front, then it's likely to be a series 3 or 4 phaeton using escort front hubs. These can't be used on
locost wishbones.
If the engine's good it may be worth getting. As I said before, restore it, use your Escort for spares, all you'll need is an mot. On the
road in time for spring!
I don't believe it's legal to swap the chassis and body to avoid SVA. Otherwise wouldn't it make this legal?
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=9270
At most you'd be using the engine, box & axle. The Dutton Club has been known to reclaim 'lost' identities too.
I will add, that I don't care what you do at the end of the day but am just trying to help 
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JoelP
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| posted on 23/12/03 at 11:44 AM |
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I think that the problem with the SPD car was that it was *alledgedly* sold as an MK chassis or car, which would've been a misdescription, and
there may have been a complaint about the quality of the work. dunno the truth of the matter myself.
Personally i think the rebodying thing is dubious but legal. There may be an issue with the fact the the chassis gets replaced with a radically
different chassis rather than a replacement, but me personally id have a go and see...
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| posted on 23/12/03 at 12:30 PM |
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definately not restoring the dutton... sorry, but thats not what i want from this project. i.e to build my own sports car.
will wait until i have a look at it, it may be a pig?
mark
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timf
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| posted on 23/12/03 at 01:14 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by PeetBee
The Dutton Club has been known to reclaim 'lost' identities too.
if its registerd to you how can they ?
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PeetBee
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| posted on 23/12/03 at 01:18 PM |
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree. In my opinion it's the same as the SPD car. You are taking an idenitity from one chassis/body and
are putting it on another, yet claiming it's the same vehicle. You may get away with it but if you don't then the consequences could be
very expensive.
How about this for a solution?
Assuming the engine in the Dutton is in good condition, you take it out and put in the engine from your Escort. You then resell it for what you paid.
You then use the Escort for the remaining donor parts.
A nice fast engine for next to no money!
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PeetBee
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| posted on 23/12/03 at 01:23 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by timf
if its registerd to you how can they ?
I don't know how exactly, I assume they've got a list of chassis numbers and reg numbers from members that they've passed onto
DVLA.
It may only become an issue if you ever sold it or tried to claim on insurance. Like I said it's a risk I wouldn't take and just wanted to
point them out to others.
Perhaps I'm paranoid!!
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timf
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| posted on 23/12/03 at 01:42 PM |
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pete
i'm not agreeing with the pratice but
i heard that the dutton oc were resurecting duttons with the chassis no which was leagally possessed by person x who happened to chop the original
chassis up into several bits. if they do this aren't they breaking the law by possibly ringing themselves as if they don't have the
original dutton's chassis isn't it a case of pots and kettles.
BTW
if you changing yous to run rear coil overs/ trailing links are you going to sva
as the chassis you end up with will be not a true dutton ?
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PeetBee
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| posted on 23/12/03 at 01:53 PM |
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TimF,
In previous club magazines they've claimed to have reunited cars with their original ids.
For the sort of case you mention the club should not be trying to reuse the id on another Dutton but to put people off scrapping duttons to get the id
in the first place, as they'll end up without an id, incur a fine and still have to go through SVA. This was the understanding I had, If not
then they are being very naughty and I agree with you.
As regards mine, I'm using all of the original chassis, but I am welding in some additional brackets. 5 link was a factory option anyway 
[Edited on 23/12/03 by PeetBee - cos I can't tyep or spoll, or even read Tim's post properly!]
[Edited on 23/12/03 by PeetBee]
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 23/12/03 at 11:23 PM |
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peetbee
I dont have nowt against duttons - i was just pre-empting what someone was bound to say!
Wanted to build one 20 years ago....
atb
steve
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PeetBee
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| posted on 24/12/03 at 10:36 AM |
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That's ok Steve, I'd have been disapointed if someone hadn't said it!!
Merry christmas everyone
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| posted on 26/12/03 at 09:56 PM |
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never got her in the end, someone has it for £421.01, where £420 was my limit. However, have justified it to myself to add that money to the kitty
for my engine
mark
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Andy S
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| posted on 2/1/04 at 05:24 PM |
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The biggest issues you will have with using a Dutton identity are
Insurance - If you have an accident the insurance company have a field day - fully supported by the Dutton Owners Club.
The only way you culd argue that is was a ligitimate conversion of a Dutton if is you have owned the car since before SVA was introduced.
Resale - if you spend on average 3-5K building up your locost and register it as a Dutton £2000 max at the moment for an excellent one whats the
insurance going to pay out if it got stolen? - Who will buy a Locost registered as a Dutton?
DOC reclaim of registration - what happens is some dumb ass buys the Dutton strips it of parts and identity then sells the body chassis on e-bay or on
this group to get some money back - The new owner gets in touch with the DOC and using the Chassis number secretly stamped on the chassis - writes to
the DVLC - they get the chassis and registration reunited and the seller gets in a heap of sh1te. The DOC have an extensive database on the cars going
back many years.
At the end of the day if its not as described on the registration document its illegal. and then all bets are off as far as insurance etc are
concerened - bad accident may mean gaol time.
As for Usable parts - the entire drive train - maybe the suspension - could be spax or AVO coilovers - could be triumph bits - the steering and
braking system - the handbrake - in fact just about everything bar the front uprights - although they could be used ala Sylva stryker. Windscreen
glass could be cut down. lights and indicators etc.
Dials and guages - etc. etc.
If breaking a Dutton break it and treat it just like any other donor - fine take all the running gear and sell the body and registration to a Dutton
enthusiast for a few pennies other wise its your ass on the line
Andrew
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DARRYL
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| posted on 2/1/04 at 10:50 PM |
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Dutton
Have you broken the Dutton or not ? cause I'm after a 1600 X flow motor and perhaps a diff. Send us a U2U PLEASE.
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