Sebastian
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| posted on 30/8/08 at 02:18 PM |
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Tiger Supercat Engine Choice?
Hi Guys,
I need some advise, i currently drive in a Tiger Supercat with a Pinto engine but i would like to upgrade it to something more modern, so is was
thinking about the Zetec - Duratec - Audi 1.8T.
Which one is in your opinion the best option?
And off course which one will fit the best?
Thanks.
Cheers,
Michel.
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Flamez
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| posted on 30/8/08 at 02:37 PM |
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Kawasaki ZX10R.......you know it makes sense
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novacaine
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| posted on 30/8/08 at 03:03 PM |
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the zetec will certanly be the easier of the choices as the bellhousing bolts right up to your current gearbox, tried and tested,
the duratec needs an adaptor plate for the type ( rally design do one for £200) then its just a matter of playing around with clutch parts to get it
to work
the audi, not too sure, i havent heard of one being used before (thats not to say that it hasnt) but im sure you could get an adaptor plate made up
(cost a bit though)
in terms of cost and ease of fittings (from easy/cheap to hard/expensive) it would go (in my opinion)
1)Zetec
2)Duratec
3)Audi
basically its down to how much you can afford
and of course you will have the hoards of people trying to convert you to a BEC Driver 
And you run and you run to catch up with the sun but its sinking, Racing around to come up behind you again, the sun is the same in a relative way but
your older, shorter of breath and one day closer to death
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novacaine
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| posted on 30/8/08 at 03:05 PM |
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Here is a link to parts needed
for a RWD Duratec conversion
And you run and you run to catch up with the sun but its sinking, Racing around to come up behind you again, the sun is the same in a relative way but
your older, shorter of breath and one day closer to death
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novacaine
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| posted on 30/8/08 at 03:09 PM |
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ahh, didnt notice that you were in holland, buying parts from england may not be an option then
zetec is more than likley to be the easier of the lot if you cant get access to things like adaptor plates etc as the zetec can be installed with
"off the shelf" items from a ford dealer
And you run and you run to catch up with the sun but its sinking, Racing around to come up behind you again, the sun is the same in a relative way but
your older, shorter of breath and one day closer to death
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mr henderson
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| posted on 30/8/08 at 03:15 PM |
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AlphaX (a member here, based in the Netherlands) does a conversion kit for using the Audi 1.8t
150-225 as standard, and apparently easily uprated to as much as 350 bhp
John
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Paul TigerB6
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| posted on 30/8/08 at 03:16 PM |
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I guess you must have used the following company then to buy your kit??
Tiger Sportscars Holland
The Audi 1.8T would be my choice given the availability of parts / experience through that company.
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big_wasa
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| posted on 30/8/08 at 06:07 PM |
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I would try and pick an engine with the in/out lets the same sides as the pinto, saving on body work.
So Duratec would be nice 
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big_wasa
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| posted on 30/8/08 at 06:07 PM |
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I would try and pick an engine with the in/out lets the same sides as the pinto, saving on body work mods.
So Duratec would be nice
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irvined
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| posted on 30/8/08 at 09:28 PM |
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Michel
I'd probably go for a duratec as the ports are on the same side - you'll probably have to spend some cash on an adaptor plate, or make one
yourself if your brave. It depends how much cutting and patching you would need to do for the exhaust/inlet etc.
You'll also need to think about induction and ignition. (Regardless of engine choice)
If you just want to spruce up your pinto - you could stick on megajolt/megasquirt etc. A tuned pinto can kick out a fair amount of power and should
be bullet proof.
Toyoya 4age is quite a popular engine too and plenty of kits available for that.
You anywhere near Utrecht?
http://irvined.blogspot.com
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Sebastian
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| posted on 31/8/08 at 09:15 AM |
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Firts of all thanks for all your input, my first choice was a Zetec/Duratec and i think this remains since i had contact with Alphax and besides the
costs the Audi will never fit my little Tiger so this is sadly no option.
@ big-wasa, the bodywork is indeed something to keep in mind, could save me a lot of money!!
But if i want to upgrade my 2.0 pinto which currently is running on Twin 40 webers what's the best way to go and how much will this cost then? i
can't make a Megasquirt/Megajolt myself?
But i also really like the Duratec aaargh choices choices, (now) thankfully the winter is long!!!!
BEC is no option i like the high revs and sequential gearchange but for touring on the Dutch roads i prefer a CEC.
@irvined, i live in Friesland near Drachten, what car do you drive then and with what engine?
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mr henderson
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| posted on 31/8/08 at 10:26 AM |
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One thing to bear in mind is that the more you upgrade the existing engine, the less 'drivable' it will become. Highly tuned pinto engines
produce little torque at low revs, and all the modifications required to improve airflow at high rpm (such as twin 45's etc) will have a bad
effect on the low rpm drivability.
If your budget is too restricted to consider a 1.8t then maybe you should think in terms of ensuring that your engine is giving its best in its
current state of tune (definitely a rolling road session) and waiting until you are in a position to carry out a major engine change to perhaps a
duratec with the appropriate cams and ECU
IMHO
John
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Sebastian
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| posted on 31/8/08 at 04:41 PM |
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The Duratec is a now a realy good option in my opinion especially when you look at the prices of a new Duratec and a used Audi that's what i
meant with the cost aspect of the Audi but it wil never fit due to the Turbo, intercooler etc etc. so that option is out of the question.
So i think the Duratec is going to be the one i will look into.
Sadly it's the size of the Tiger engine bay that gives the restrictions, and no i am not going to buy another seven that will fit an Audi
engine.
Will keep you guys posted.
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mr henderson
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| posted on 31/8/08 at 05:25 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Sebastian
Audi but it wil never fit due to the Turbo, intercooler etc etc. so that option is out of the question.
Are you certain of that? The turbo is tucked in very close to the block, almost touching. The exhaust manifold on a non turbo engine would stick out
further.
The intercooler can be positioned in front of the engine, the orginal A3 intercooler is quite small, but others will fit a 7 too.
John
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Sebastian
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| posted on 31/8/08 at 06:32 PM |
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OK i will look into the exact dimensions then, i will have contact with Geert next week so i will ask him for some dimensions then.
What i your connection with Geert, and i don't mean this the wrong way.
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mr henderson
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| posted on 31/8/08 at 07:29 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Sebastian
OK i will look into the exact dimensions then, i will have contact with Geert next week so i will ask him for some dimensions then.
What i your connection with Geert, and i don't mean this the wrong way.
I don't have any connection with him beyond an interest in the 1.8t engine, and my interest is waning now that I have sold the example that I
had (I'm much more interested in the BMW M42 (1.8 16v) engine now)
John
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