I thought Elon's Cybertruck was just an online joke, but apparently it's real!
Anyone with the appetite for designing and building a scaled down Locost lookalike, maybe with a marine ply monocoque chassis?
With a real engine and gearbox, maybe rear engined transverse like the original Terrapin.
With inline donors ever less available this could be the way to go?
Not sure why you think its a joke, plenty of them about and being tested by reviewers on youtube. Can't say its floats my boat in any way but its
just suffering from Musk's usual delays and hands in way too many projects.
I think the days of wooden cars are very much long gone, even notoriously sturdy cars from the 90's like volvo etc are no match for todays
overweight juggernauts. You'd be just as safe as sitting in a cardboard box. Imo the cybertruck looks really dated, something off the set of Back
to the future or old BladeRunner, a real 80's car, only 40 years well past its sell by date. It just needs a Mr Fusion coffee grinder in the back
[Edited on 5/12/23 by Mr Whippy]
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Originally posted by Replicar328
I thought Elon's Cybertruck was just an online joke, but apparently it's real!![]()
Anyone with the appetite for designing and building a scaled down Locost lookalike, maybe with a marine ply monocoque chassis?
With a real engine and gearbox, maybe rear engined transverse like the original Terrapin.
With inline donors ever less available this could be the way to go?
It may be real but it's still a joke, as is musk himself. The guy has no class, no taste and no inherent engineering talent. He simply throws
inherited money at people who do have talent and then takes credit for their achievements. Unfortunately he is allegedly also willing to take
shortcuts which put people's lives at risk with dodgy self driving software.
The "cybertruck" is an eyesore and I predict it will be a massive flop for Tesla. Yes, some people will buy it and proclaim it as the most
amazing vehicle ever but the rest of us will shake our heads as we drive past. Even existing Tesla owners are selling perfectly good cars to avoid any
association with this narcissist. And many of those people realise that there are plenty of better alternatives in the EV market.
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Originally posted by gremlin1234
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Originally posted by Replicar328
I thought Elon's Cybertruck was just an online joke, but apparently it's real!![]()
Anyone with the appetite for designing and building a scaled down Locost lookalike, maybe with a marine ply monocoque chassis?
With a real engine and gearbox, maybe rear engined transverse like the original Terrapin.
With inline donors ever less available this could be the way to go?
why would anybody want a lookalike of something like that?
Simone Giertz 's Truckla has way more style
[Edited on 5-12-2023 by gremlin1234]
it is different and being mainly straight line just as doable as a 7, oh and a lot more practical....whats stopping you ?.
Did anyone see the rematch between the baseball and the truck window? The only difference seemed to be the way the ball was thrown! I can throw a ball harder than that!!! No wonder it survived intact the second time.
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Originally posted by BenB
Did anyone see the rematch between the baseball and the truck window? The only difference seemed to be the way the ball was thrown! I can throw a ball harder than that!!! No wonder it survived intact the second time.
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Originally posted by BenB
Did anyone see the rematch between the baseball and the truck window? The only difference seemed to be the way the ball was thrown! I can throw a ball harder than that!!! No wonder it survived intact the second time.
I'm curious how its got crumple zones built into it ....... bullet resistant, kick proof stainless steel panels don't sound like
they're going to crumple in a crash. Being hit by an x ton sledgehammer doesn't appeal in the slightest.
If i'm right i suspect its not going to pass EU regulations unless its classified as something like a (guess) lorry.
To anyone saying "why on earth would anyone buy one? It's hideous!" etc
See Nissan Juke.
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To anyone saying "why on earth would anyone buy one? It's hideous!" etc
See Nissan Juke.
The Prius sounds like a practical main car for two car families who have long distances. Reality is by the time you can afford it, all electric cars are likely to be practical family cars. I'm struggling with the choice of what to get next, I'm torn between all electric, hybrid or dinosaur juice. I think electric doesn't quite cut it due to 240 miles journeys I do in a day occasionally. For a second car electric would be great - we just need to improve/extend the charging infrastructure.
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Originally posted by craig1410
It may be real but it's still a joke, as is musk himself. The guy has no class, no taste and no inherent engineering talent. He simply throws inherited money at people who do have talent and then takes credit for their achievements. Unfortunately he is allegedly also willing to take shortcuts which put people's lives at risk with dodgy self driving software.
The "cybertruck" is an eyesore and I predict it will be a massive flop for Tesla. Yes, some people will buy it and proclaim it as the most amazing vehicle ever but the rest of us will shake our heads as we drive past. Even existing Tesla owners are selling perfectly good cars to avoid any association with this narcissist. And many of those people realise that there are plenty of better alternatives in the EV market.
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Originally posted by MikeR
The Prius sounds like a practical main car for two car families who have long distances. Reality is by the time you can afford it, all electric cars are likely to be practical family cars. I'm struggling with the choice of what to get next, I'm torn between all electric, hybrid or dinosaur juice. I think electric doesn't quite cut it due to 240 miles journeys I do in a day occasionally. For a second car electric would be great - we just need to improve/extend the charging infrastructure.
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Originally posted by Mr Whippy
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Originally posted by MikeR
The Prius sounds like a practical main car for two car families who have long distances. Reality is by the time you can afford it, all electric cars are likely to be practical family cars. I'm struggling with the choice of what to get next, I'm torn between all electric, hybrid or dinosaur juice. I think electric doesn't quite cut it due to 240 miles journeys I do in a day occasionally. For a second car electric would be great - we just need to improve/extend the charging infrastructure.
One of the things you have to keep in mind with EV's is their range stated is not done at 70mph, more like 55mph which is not practical if your on the motorway, it will just hammer your range. Although in town they will go all day long on a single charge.
Also in the winter there is a huge drop in range and even charge speed. For example, in the summer our Leaf shows 130miles, and if I take it easy I can and have got close to that. But in the winter it's just scraping by doing a 49mile round trip to the girls gymnastic driving at just 55mph and shows only 14miles left by the end of it! Ok it's an old gen car but the battery is in very good condition. This is just what EV's are like in real life, just watch some YouTube real reviews by owners and you'll see this is the case.
Personally I think there is still a place for plug in hybrids even after 2030, so long as they have at least 40 miles pure electric range at 70mph. Plus they should be capable of a maximum rapid charging time of 20mins & slow charging at work.
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Originally posted by coyoteboy
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Originally posted by craig1410
It may be real but it's still a joke, as is musk himself. The guy has no class, no taste and no inherent engineering talent. He simply throws inherited money at people who do have talent and then takes credit for their achievements. Unfortunately he is allegedly also willing to take shortcuts which put people's lives at risk with dodgy self driving software.
The "cybertruck" is an eyesore and I predict it will be a massive flop for Tesla. Yes, some people will buy it and proclaim it as the most amazing vehicle ever but the rest of us will shake our heads as we drive past. Even existing Tesla owners are selling perfectly good cars to avoid any association with this narcissist. And many of those people realise that there are plenty of better alternatives in the EV market.
That's rather great leap to have made. Don't particularly like him, but he has some great positive aspects. Does he have engineering knowledge? I think he does, but maybe nothing special - but that's not the point, successful people surround themselves with people who know things they don't to make something happen. Inherited money - maybe initially, but not now. Regardless, we all play the hand we have to the best we can, you can't hold his start in life against him, you're not inherently a better person if you start off a working class Scot.
I've seen nothing of taking shortcuts, but it doesn't surprise me - one person's reasonable engineering decision is another's outrageous shortcut. What are you referring to?
I also think the cybertruck is an abominable vanity project but I believe they have enough orders to make it a success already. They have 2 million pre-order deposits of 1K dollars. Even if they make a handful and stop production, they made 2Bn from it (deposit not refundable).
I remember this quote when people speak of Musk, which i may not quite quote perfectly but you'll get the idea....
I know nothing about building cars, so when Musk built a car i thought he must be a genius,
i know nothing about building rocket ships, so when Musk built a rocket i thought he must be a genius,
I know lots about writing software, so when Musk bought twitter I realised I'm never getting in one of his rockets or cars.
(nb i think the cars may have enough miles on them for me to consider getting in one of them)
Well, tbh I have zero against Musk personally, but as an observer I’m blown away with how much he’s accomplished so far, ok yeah it’s been through the
help and work of a lot of people not just him but he’s managed to pull it all together and no one person could be an expert in so much anyway.
He did take on the whole automotive industry and won, hands down he won, forcing the current shift to EV’s. Like EV’s or not, only Tesla did that. GM
had a good chance to do the same with the EV1, before buying them back just to cut up them up.
Then he took on the entire aerospace industry (oh is that all...) and won, again. Proving renewable rockets where a possibility making a hugely
successful business' out of it. Where NASA, Russia and Europe had failed, miserably. Remember NASA trying with the half-baked deathtrap, the
space shuttle and managed to brutally kill (aka negligent homicide) two entire crews.
It’s a given that some of his projects he supported have been a flop, but he’s not scared of giving things a bash even if they seem very unlikely to
succeed and that’s fine, I don’t hold it against him. The Cybertruck, well I just don’t think it was the right car for the time, but if he sells
enough then it’s simply a success, and good on him, we’ll have to see how it goes. Although a simple Model 3 pickup would probably have been a good
option too.
He might make it to a successful Mars & moon mission, it’s going to be a hell of a slog but he’s on the right track and making good progress. I
can only wish him all the success. So far everything I have see him do is for the greater good but if he starts developing a Death Star I may change
my mind
[Edited on 8/12/23 by Mr Whippy]
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I don't think it's a great leap at all but you're entitled to your opinion.
I started writing a fuller response to your comments but to be honest I just can't be bothered spending time on it. There is ample evidence of his antics if you want to search for them and if you prefer to believe he has "great positive aspects" then that's fine by me. Just ask all the Twitter employees who he sacked without notice and then refused to pay severance...
Also worth having a read of this article about the recent Tesla whistleblower: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-67591311
Lastly, I never claimed to be "inherently a better person" because I didn't inherit millions from my Dad. In fact I have no issues whatsoever with people who inherit money, quite the opposite actually. I'm probably more of a lower middle class Scot with fiscally conservative and socially liberal tendencies if you want to pigeon hole me more accurately.![]()
Wil Wheaton (Wesley Crusher from Star Trek TNG) did a far better job of describing musk than I ever could: https://mastodon.world/@jeffowski/111529793781498925
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You only have to read a few of his tweets to realise he's a total bell end. I'm far more impressed by space x than by tesla tbh. It was always obvious electric cars were the future, he just got in and did a good job of dominating the market. Space X achieved more by bringing market forces into a rather stuffy, uncompetitive industry. Doesn't change the fact he's a truly horrible person.
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Originally posted by JoelP
You only have to read a few of his tweets to realise he's a total bell end. I'm far more impressed by space x than by tesla tbh. It was always obvious electric cars were the future, he just got in and did a good job of dominating the market. Space X achieved more by bringing market forces into a rather stuffy, uncompetitive industry. Doesn't change the fact he's a truly horrible person.
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Originally posted by Mr Whippy
Imo the cybertruck looks really dated, something of...
[Edited on 5/12/23 by Mr Whippy]
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Originally posted by coyoteboy
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Originally posted by craig1410
I don't think it's a great leap at all but you're entitled to your opinion.
I started writing a fuller response to your comments but to be honest I just can't be bothered spending time on it. There is ample evidence of his antics if you want to search for them and if you prefer to believe he has "great positive aspects" then that's fine by me. Just ask all the Twitter employees who he sacked without notice and then refused to pay severance...
Also worth having a read of this article about the recent Tesla whistleblower: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-67591311
Lastly, I never claimed to be "inherently a better person" because I didn't inherit millions from my Dad. In fact I have no issues whatsoever with people who inherit money, quite the opposite actually. I'm probably more of a lower middle class Scot with fiscally conservative and socially liberal tendencies if you want to pigeon hole me more accurately.![]()
Wil Wheaton (Wesley Crusher from Star Trek TNG) did a far better job of describing musk than I ever could: https://mastodon.world/@jeffowski/111529793781498925
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It's quite in vogue to be critical of him, and to be honest it's easy to pick flaws in people. I choose not to look for the negatives because it doesn't do much good. Wils comments are full of bile and opinion, not evidence of a real human. I suspect if anyone read any person's online content and saw only their worst business decisions and not the thousands of nice ones, one might draw the same conclusion of most in senior positions. As I said, I'm not a musk fan (and his tendencies have got worse I'll admit) but am also not willing to assume I know who he is based on what I see online.
Wasn't particularly pigeon-holing you, more assuming that's the sort of person you'd find more wholesome 😂
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Originally posted by JoelP
You only have to read a few of his tweets to realise he's a total bell end. I'm far more impressed by space x than by tesla tbh. It was always obvious electric cars were the future, he just got in and did a good job of dominating the market. Space X achieved more by bringing market forces into a rather stuffy, uncompetitive industry. Doesn't change the fact he's a truly horrible person.
As if to prove my point, he's back in the news today for having let Alex Jones back onto twitter. The guy who said the Sandy Hook massacre was staged, and all the bereaved parents were actors. Elon Musk has no moral compass at all. He can't see past the pretty American obsession with free speech.
More Tesla news - glad to see the "self driving" nonsense getting the scrutiny it needs finally.
Headline: Elon Musk's Tesla recalls two million cars over Autopilot defect
Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-67693935
Somewhat related to his cars, there is a scene in 'Leave the World Behind' (a current Netflix film) around Teslas, I won't spoil it as the film is quite entertaining but if you're not bothered about the film I suggest a quick Google. The scene itself is part entertaining, part laugh out loud funny, but also actually quite terrifying.
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Originally posted by Slimy38
Somewhat related to his cars, there is a scene in 'Leave the World Behind' (a current Netflix film) around Teslas, I won't spoil it as the film is quite entertaining but if you're not bothered about the film I suggest a quick Google. The scene itself is part entertaining, part laugh out loud funny, but also actually quite terrifying.
I'm more amazed that people are willing to spend - "In the US, the full-self driving package costs $12,000, or a $199 monthly subscription fee." just so they don't have to "drive" their nice fancy Tesla. Where's the fun in that? is driving them really so bad? It's not like you can go and have a sleep or watch a film, you still have to hold the wheel and look where your going, so what on earth is the point of something that is just glorified cruse control. Tbh it sounds just as daft as the BMW heated seat subscription BS.
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Originally posted by Mr Whippy
I'm more amazed that people are willing to spend - "In the US, the full-self driving package costs $12,000, or a $199 monthly subscription fee." just so they don't have to "drive" their nice fancy Tesla. Where's the fun in that? is driving them really so bad? It's not like you can go and have a sleep or watch a film, you still have to hold the wheel and look where your going, so what on earth is the point of something that is just glorified cruse control. Tbh it sounds just as daft as the BMW heated seat subscription BS.
It's about time they pass a law that requires all display's and controls (hi-fi and heating too) to located directly in front of the driver at eye level. Voice control has progressed where most operations could be performed that way and not scrolling through some dumb computer monitor in the middle of the dash.
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Originally posted by Mr Whippy
One of the things you have to keep in mind with EV's is their range stated is not done at 70mph, more like 55mph which is not practical if your on the motorway, it will just hammer your range. Although in town they will go all day long on a single charge.
Also in the winter there is a huge drop in range and even charge speed. For example, in the summer our Leaf shows 130miles, and if I take it easy I can and have got close to that. But in the winter it's just scraping by doing a 49mile round trip to the girls gymnastic driving at just 55mph and shows only 14miles left by the end of it! Ok it's an old gen car but the battery is in very good condition. This is just what EV's are like in real life, just watch some YouTube real reviews by owners and you'll see this is the case.
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Originally posted by Mr Whippy
One of the things you have to keep in mind with EV's is their range stated is not done at 70mph, more like 55mph which is not practical if your on the motorway, it will just hammer your range. Although in town they will go all day long on a single charge.
Also in the winter there is a huge drop in range and even charge speed. For example, in the summer our Leaf shows 130miles, and if I take it easy I can and have got close to that. But in the winter it's just scraping by doing a 49mile round trip to the girls gymnastic driving at just 55mph and shows only 14miles left by the end of it! Ok it's an old gen car but the battery is in very good condition. This is just what EV's are like in real life, just watch some YouTube real reviews by owners and you'll see this is the case.
Personally I think there is still a place for plug in hybrids even after 2030, so long as they have at least 40 miles pure electric range at 70mph. Plus they should be capable of a maximum rapid charging time of 20mins & slow charging at work.
It's also worth noting that ICE cars are also less efficient in cold weather (but the difference is not so significant). Cold fluids in the
engine, much longer warm-up times, denser air are just some of the factors. Covered in this article:
Linky 1
And, before anyone says it, the car most likely to catch fire in the UK is a diesel...
Linky 2
Do you mean 120kwh or 120Ah David? Not being pedantic, just curious about the unit. Ah wouldn't be very informative without knowing the voltage.
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Originally posted by JoelP
Do you mean 120kwh or 120Ah David? Not being pedantic, just curious about the unit. Ah wouldn't be very informative without knowing the voltage.
Trust BMW to be different! My KIA is 64kWh useable capacity - real capacity is slightly higher but the battery management doesn't allow me to use the bit at the top and won't allow me to fully discharge.
My bad Craig, I did indeed mean you. Thanks for clarifying!
Getting back to the topic - the Cybertruck really is a phenomenally ugly vehicle! It doesn't seem to have any merit as a truck, not much use as
a car, probably bad in an accident and probably stupidly expensive to repair.
I think I'll pass for now...
Funnily enough I've given up on the electric cars and gone back to the old volvo as the range and charging was too much of a pain for what I
wanted to do with it. Yeah I could buy another newer car with larger capacity but the Leaf only just broke even with fuel saving vs the finance cost
and a new car would not.
However the wife is still hammering away at the leaf and loves it, she's put on 22,000 miles just last year alone and it hasn't put a foot
wrong despite her knack for destroying cars but it's just driven locally now. I was cleaning it yesterday and it's remarkable how clean the
engine bay and underside is, looks like new despite being 6 years old plan is once it's at about 150k miles (depending on the life of the
battery) to do a battery swap for one with twice the capacity rather than replace the car.