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welderman - 6/2/08 at 08:36 PM

Mysteriously missing signature banner button


I’m having a rant, this morning i logged on locosters and saw a post by Malc At MB Customs the turbo bike specialist who help me do my turbo bec conversion.

That’s not the point though, i received a u2u from Chris W asking me to remove my banner and that i was advertising Malcs own web site at 12.24pm this afternoon, as i was busy at work i only logged on about 3.30pm, but by this time my banner was erased.

Now my point is this, why ask me to remove the banner when it was going to be done without my consent, I sent Chris a u2u stating I would remove the banner so as not to rock the boat as I put it.

I’m a down to earth chap, keep my opinions to myself and i hope that i come across to people that i am a nice friendly chap too. But im still a bit naffed off that this was done in such a manner.

I actually feel in some way Violated.
I thought we had a sense of community on Locostbuilders. My faith in it has gone im sad to say.


Joe


LINK HERE.
M.B CUSTOMS

[Edited on 6/2/08 by welderman]


Mr Whippy - 6/2/08 at 09:03 PM

A few people seem to have been very upset recently, hope this isn’t yet another member going to leave.


ChrisW - 6/2/08 at 09:18 PM

My exact message:

quote:

Please do not advertise this company (or any company in fact) in your profile, unless you are prepared to sign up for Registered Trader status.


As you can read for yourself, it asked you not to advertise companies in your signature unless you wanted to pay for the privilege, not to remove the banner.

quote:

hope this isn’t yet another member going to leave.


Too late... has been banned for 1 week for taking the mikey with his new signature (now also deleted).

Cheers, Chris


Mr Whippy - 6/2/08 at 09:25 PM

funny an image just popped in my head - POP!

http://www.grangehillgold.co.uk/bronson.jpg


ChrisW - 6/2/08 at 09:28 PM

You are now also banned.

Cheers, Chris


locoR1 - 6/2/08 at 09:37 PM

Chris this is a legitimate question (not a mikey take)

What about my BEC banner with Chris now running the BEC Centre could this be seen as advertising?

Dave..


Isaback - 6/2/08 at 09:44 PM

I'm waiting to see if you get band now

why the crack down Chis? You seem to be trying to drive away the very members who made your site a success, don't you like us anymore?

I feel sorry for poor old Mr Whippy he was such a laugh

[Edited on 6/2/08 by Isaback]


Alfa145 - 6/2/08 at 09:45 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Mr Whippy
funny an image just popped in my head - POP!

http://www.grangehillgold.co.uk/bronson.jpg


lol, spot on. Feel free to ban me, not much loss seems to be going down hill badly here


Benzine - 6/2/08 at 09:49 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Isaback
I feel sorry for poor old Mr Whippy he was such a laugh



+1


Isaback - 6/2/08 at 09:52 PM

a very sad end to the day................................................................................................................................................... ................................................................


oh do you like Liz < she's a cracker

[Edited on 6/2/08 by Isaback]


A Nonny Mouse - 6/2/08 at 10:12 PM

just been browsing the site as i do sometimes, if your login name starts with a W then your time is up


Isaback - 6/2/08 at 10:31 PM


dhutch - 6/2/08 at 11:26 PM

Ive only just this last few days become a comunitty supporter. And i have to admit that having read this thread, im wondering if i now regret doing so.

Ive read and learnt a lot from you guys over the last month or so as i gentle rev up to buying into the locost arena. But reading this thread ive seen another site to the site that i dont really like.

I run/administate/moderate another forum i use a lot (Canalworld.net) and it is harder work than i think most people give it credit at times. And i understand the reasons behind not wanting certain things in signatures (we've been as far as geting half way to caught over a link in a members sig before now, and threats from our host to take us offline) and its fair enough to request its removal, chris is the owner of this place, and its his rules.
- But then to remove it before the members even had fiar chance to reply is a little out of order in this cast i feel.
- And certainly, i dont see that banning mr whippy for that photo is anything other than childish, im afaid.

Hopfully we can get over this, and both of the members involed can rejoin us shortly. But you can always loose members far faster than you can get them back, and thats aways a shame for everyone.


Daniel


Ares - 7/2/08 at 06:05 AM

Be careful Daniel, saying things like "banning someone for a photo is childish" is likely to get you banned! Oh, hang on a second, you are ok 'cos your name starts with a D, unlike Whippy, Welderman and WorX!!!

My lovely Fiance, who just happens to be from communist Poland has just pee'd herself laughing at the petty censorship that this site has exhibited! Ah well, the downhill slope is a slippery one!

[Edited on 7/2/08 by Ares]


fesycresy - 7/2/08 at 08:51 AM

quote:
Originally posted by locoR1
Chris this is a legitimate question (not a mikey take)

What about my BEC banner with Chris now running the BEC Centre could this be seen as advertising?

Dave..


Well the way I read it, all links to companies i.e MAC#1, BEC Centre, MNR, etc. by satisfied owners / customers and are not traders must be removed

The fact that these companies already have paid as Traders makes no difference according to Chris' statement.

Hopefully common sense will prevail and the teddies will be welcome back in the pram


TGR-ECOSSE - 7/2/08 at 09:21 AM

MR WHIPPY IS INNOCENT. RELEASE THE ABERDEEN 1


nick205 - 7/2/08 at 09:43 AM

WTF is going on gents - stop bickering and barracking and get on with discussing and building cars (including ChrisW).

This forum is starting to suffer from group PMT and it's not attractive


DarrenW - 7/2/08 at 09:50 AM

quote:
Originally posted by fesycresy
quote:
Originally posted by locoR1
Chris this is a legitimate question (not a mikey take)

What about my BEC banner with Chris now running the BEC Centre could this be seen as advertising?

Dave..


Well the way I read it, all links to companies i.e MAC#1, BEC Centre, MNR, etc. by satisfied owners / customers and are not traders must be removed

The fact that these companies already have paid as Traders makes no difference according to Chris' statement.

Hopefully common sense will prevail and the teddies will be welcome back in the pram



Praising a company or person for a job well done has never been in question. I suppose there is a fine line between praising the service from a company and advertising them for commercial gain, but im sure a simple pat on the back and website link cant hurt. Putting up price list and special offers for them is a step too far.

If that company wants to advertise on this site they pay - simple as that. Does anyone know of any similar sites where this is allowed free of charge?

The way i see it the original reason for this thread was a private matter between a trader and Chris over payment of such status. It has been flared out of proportion.
Does anyone genuinely know first hand what has gone on? Im not asking cos i want to know - just wondering who is genuinely qualified to comment.

This is a matter for Chris and his Traders and nobody else. If it was my site that cost me my money i too would take a very similar tact. Ive seen other sites take a harder line. The fact that Chris is simply repeating the same comment shows some professionalism in wishing to keep the matter unpublic. Unfortunately it seems MBC decided to make the exit a little undignified.


I dont recall anywhere that said a trader cannot be a normal member on this site if they dont use it for commercial gains.


If it wasnt for Chris we wouldnt have this site. Nothing in life is simple so maybe its time to give Chris a break and get back to our love of cars and leave him to reach an amicable solution.




[Edited on 7/2/08 by DarrenW]


A Nonny Mouse - 7/2/08 at 10:13 AM

Morning all, i have phoned Malc at his workshop this morning to ask him about a turbo conversion im thinking of doing (was being nosey really), he did not go into any detail about the trader status but was indeed shocked that some users had been banned and felt extreamly sorry for them, but he did mention that Dax cars and westfield owners had emailed him and have asked him to join there sites as he would be very welcome in giving his advice.
So who has lost out here, us locosters thats who.


DarrenW - 7/2/08 at 10:26 AM

Im sure there will be more to it than meets the eye. If we cant be sure we are in full reciept of the facts then we arent really qualified to comment. Im a firm believer in the saying "You never know what goes on behind closed doors".

I dont recall anyone saying Malc isnt welcome on this site as a member like the rest of us. The only issue was in the commercial side of things. I dont think he will be able to tout his wares on WSCC either. He may be able to offer his services in the context of a general post but i doubt will be able to advertise.

[Edited on 7/2/08 by DarrenW]


WITCH HUNTER - 7/2/08 at 10:48 AM

I have just collected my Dax from MB customs yesterday,when all this was going on,i was keen to see what this web site was all about,from the way i see it,and what was said,he tried to pay the trader fees paypal had a problem with his card,so he offered to pay by cheque,as for the for sale engine,it was a surplus R1 item that he had got in for someone,was let down,so he offered it to this site for what it cost him 300 in a way i think it is a shame to loose someone with his knowledge and experiance,because the kit he has just fitted to my car is a work of art.358 BHPEEEEEEEEEEEE on pump fuel.

ADMIN NOTICE: Please be aware, this is MB Customs posting under an alias.

[Edited on 2/7/2008 by ChrisW]


DarrenW - 7/2/08 at 11:15 AM

Welcome to the site Witch Hunter. What an amazing coincidence that you join the site today just when all this is going on. Your car sounds fantastic, would be great to read about it later if you put a post up.

All i was trying to say was its a commercial matter and should be treat as such. Im sure he will be missed, lets hope it gets resolved.


Benzine - 7/2/08 at 11:51 AM

quote:
Originally posted by TGR-ECOSSE
MR WHIPPY IS INNOCENT. RELEASE THE ABERDEEN 1


+1
FREE MR WHIPPY!!!


A Nonny Mouse - 7/2/08 at 11:55 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Benzine
quote:
Originally posted by TGR-ECOSSE
MR WHIPPY IS INNOCENT. RELEASE THE ABERDEEN 1


+1
FREE MR WHIPPY!!!




what about the worX and welderman too.


TGR-ECOSSE - 7/2/08 at 12:08 PM

FREE THE LOCOSTBUILDERS 3!! THE LOCOSTBUILDERS 3 ARE INNOCENT !!!


dhutch - 7/2/08 at 12:25 PM

Has steve (worx) been banned then? Totally missed that if he has. Shocking.


Daniel


speedyxjs - 7/2/08 at 12:40 PM

Dont laugh but who is the guy in the pic whippy posted?


Benzine - 7/2/08 at 12:47 PM

old head master from grange hill iirc


DarrenW - 7/2/08 at 12:50 PM

U2U sent. I take it you are too young to have been a fan of Grange Hill?


He wasnt actually the head though - just thought he was. Maybe a deputy head - cant remember now. Too long ago.

[Edited on 7/2/08 by DarrenW]


Hellfire - 7/2/08 at 12:55 PM

The way I see it, there are two simple solutions to this problem

1 - Malc pays for trader status. Even if he can't pay through paypal, I'm sure he can give someone the money to set it up on his behalf.

2 - Remove all links to his business from his user profile and carry on using this forum like the rest of us.

Phil


ChrisW - 7/2/08 at 01:24 PM

The problem has already been solved. Links, phone numbers, etc have been removed from Malc's account. He is more than welcome to continue using the site on a personal basis. However, if he wishes to advertise his business, he will need to pay for trader status.

The people that have been banned are down to them placing banners for Malc in their signatures despite being asked by me not to, which as far as I'm concerned is a 'finger up' to me, the person who funds the site. Would you expect to go to a party, tell the host to "£^% off, and be suprised if you were asked to leave? Didn't think so!

My rule is this: If you are making money, or even trying to make money, on a regular basis out of the use of this site, you pay a contribution towards its running costs. I don't think there is anything unreasonable about that, so if you don't like it, go somewhere else!

Chris


Ares - 7/2/08 at 01:40 PM

As far as I was aware Chris, Worx was never asked by You to remove the banner. And Welderman was asked by you, but before he'd even logged on again, you had gone into his account and removed it!


ChrisW - 7/2/08 at 01:49 PM

If you read the post from the start, where I posted the u2u sent word for word, you will see that Welderman was not asked to remove it, he was asked not to put it back (I had already removed it). The first thing he did when he got back was go against this, and then encouraged others (worX) to do the same.

Chris


Ares - 7/2/08 at 01:51 PM

So why was Worx banned then? Just for having a banner???


A Nonny Mouse - 7/2/08 at 01:56 PM

This site has been crap since calvinX left, now it's got something to laugh and read.


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MR WHIPPY IS INNOCENT.
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FREE MR WHIPPY!!!
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what about the worX and welderman too.


ChrisW - 7/2/08 at 03:02 PM

Ares now also banned, as it would appear it is just worX logging on under a different name.

Cheers, Chris


A Nonny Mouse - 7/2/08 at 03:36 PM

The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.
Mahatma Gandhi
Indian political and spiritual leader (1869 - 1948)

lets hope this gets sorted soon



http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=82601

[Edited on 7/2/08 by A Nonny Mouse]


ChrisW - 7/2/08 at 04:04 PM

A Nonny Mouse is also worX posting under an alias, and is now also banned.

Fed up of this... closing thread!

Chris