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Has Massa made you think twice?
speedyxjs - 28/7/09 at 08:14 PM

I was out on the road today and wondered if Massa's accident had made anyone think twice about using an aeroscreen on a car?

We dont have the funds to buy expensive helmets like professional race drivers and something falling/thrown from a car on the motorway or any road infact, could have serious consequences if we were to hit that something at speed.

Discuss??


Angus180 - 28/7/09 at 08:17 PM

with my seroscreen i get hit my smal stones and fat flys of lorrys which arnt that good


omega0684 - 28/7/09 at 08:18 PM

any helmet is better than no helmet in my eyes, i will be wearing mine every time from now on


Davey D - 28/7/09 at 08:18 PM

It's only like riding a motorbike though... If something flies up and hits you on a bike you don't have 4 wheels to keep you from falling off and hurting yourself even more


mangogrooveworkshop - 28/7/09 at 08:20 PM

I see all sorts of stuff that falls of wagons and cars.
Suppose working in the street environment you see more than people in cars.
The number of nuts and bolts is scary.....and the bad ones are the very big bolts.....cause they came off a truck somewhere.
Saw a truck have a blow out about 10 meters from where we were today and boy did the rubber fly.....


daniel mason - 28/7/09 at 08:23 PM

it never made me think twice until i set off down the road last night, coming out of the 30 mph zone i floored it only to find i had not fastned one of my bonett catches. it lifted, riped the other 3 catches off,smashed me on the helmet and smashed in pieces! if i was not wearing helmet i would probably have been knocked out at the wheel.


speedyxjs - 28/7/09 at 08:24 PM

quote:
Originally posted by daniel mason
it never made me think twice until i set off down the road last night, coming out of the 30 mph zone i floored it only to find i had not fastned one of my bonett catches. it lifted, riped the other 3 catches off,smashed me on the helmet and smashed in pieces! if i was not wearing helmet i would probably have been knocked out at the wheel.



Nash - 28/7/09 at 08:24 PM

An Aeroscreen wouldn't stop much and you are no less protected on a motorcycle the in the kit (as long as you wear a lid). So no Massa's header does't make me think twice.

How many miles are driven and how many freak accidents are there?

The odds are greater then tripping and bashing your noggin.

IMHO

.......... Neil


Miketheconn - 28/7/09 at 08:25 PM

I thought Massa was doing circa 160 when he got hit.

I would be impressed if any of you had got up to that sort of speed on any of the motorways I plod up and down on each week.

My heap of rusty metal won't have a screen (if it ever gets built) and I'll be using an ordinary helmet.

Mike


TimC - 28/7/09 at 08:45 PM

I must be honest, I've thought about the consequence of any future decision to buy a Hans device.. not really thought it through but did make me wonder if Massa was restricted from moving right.


David Jenkins - 28/7/09 at 08:52 PM

I've had a few unidentified flying things bang into my helmet visor over the past few years - made me jump a fair bit!

Nothing big - bumble bees, big beetles, bits of gravel, and so on, but any of those could have hurt enough to ruin my ability to drive.

I wear my helmet - until I've finished and fitted my windscreen.


Toltec - 28/7/09 at 09:14 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Davey D
It's only like riding a motorbike though... If something flies up and hits you on a bike you don't have 4 wheels to keep you from falling off and hurting yourself even more


There was ambulance/police program on the the other day, they had a biker hit by a pheasant, it ripped off the visor and smashed his cheek bone.

Years ago I was just starting to overtake a van when one of the sheets of ply on the roof came loose, twisted sideways towards me and flipped over my ducking head. Shit happens!

If someone drops a brick off a motorway bridge even a windscreen may not save you.

Wear a full face helmet, keep your eyes open and don't worry about the what ifs you cannot do anything about.

[Edited on 28/7/09 by Toltec]


Mr G - 28/7/09 at 09:49 PM

http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=101674

Discussion from December last year on the subject - the link no longer goes to the news story but roughly a driver on the A12 was killed when a piece of debris was flicked up by a lorry and went through his winscreen in a tin top.

EDIT: Link

[Edited on 28/7/09 by Mr G]


thunderace - 28/7/09 at 10:07 PM

i got hit in the windscreen in a merc sprinter by a pallet the fell off a truck i was doing 60 at the time on the motoway i never even seen itjust heard the bang a good job i was not on my motorbike.
was shocked how much damage it done to the van ,took a week off work with full pay as i dit get hurt.


Peteff - 28/7/09 at 10:48 PM

I was following a lorry, possibly a bit too closely on the M1 and he ran over a silencer on the road with his rear wheels and threw it up and it went over my head. If I'd been further back it may have landed on my helmet and I doubt I would have been conscious after, it was a big lump of metal but if it had hit an ordinary car windscreen it would probably have been serious. You can't dwell on stuff or you'd never go anywhere.


blakep82 - 28/7/09 at 11:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Miketheconn
I thought Massa was doing circa 160 when he got hit.



true enough, but i still wouldn't fancy getting hit in the face by a rock at 40


gingerprince - 29/7/09 at 02:25 AM

Went for a blast on Monday on a route I'd often go with just shades, but this time I took the helmet. Must have been subliminal!


scootz - 29/7/09 at 05:58 AM

quote:
Originally posted by TimC
I must be honest, I've thought about the consequence of any future decision to buy a Hans device.. not really thought it through but did make me wonder if Massa was restricted from moving right.


To be fair... there's not the room in an F1 cockpit to move your head all that much (with or without the HANS). Also, at that speed he would barely have had time to blink / flinch.

I think he has a fracture at the base of his skull which is consistent with a significant whiplash... had he not been wearing the HANS then I'm pretty sure he would have had a (fatally) broken neck to add to his woes!

I guess it all comes down to "what if"? Most mundane aspects of life alone involve potentially fatal risks... you can only do your best!


RickRick - 29/7/09 at 06:12 AM

didn't it push his head backwards, not sure the hans device would really offer any help there


speedyxjs - 29/7/09 at 06:15 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Miketheconn
I thought Massa was doing circa 160 when he got hit.



Yeah but the spring was travelling in the same direction so the impact speed was much lower.


rf900rush - 29/7/09 at 06:35 AM

Fitted a screen last year.
Still get het hit by small stones. I think most come up from my own front tyres.

Still were a helmet if going on a longer journeys.

Local trips to the shops when it's sunny - no helmet.


02GF74 - 29/7/09 at 08:11 AM

yes, it has made me think but you have to take the likelihood of something like that happening.

About 10 yr ago I was on M25, in the era when traffic moved on it, and lorry pulled out into middle lane ot overtake .... and continued pulling out until it was scraping agaisnt the central concrete barrier, tipping over at 45 degrees letting loose beer kegs of lager.

How do I know it was lager? Some had burstr and were spraying the stuff.

I had one car infront of me and lorry and botrh came back unscathed but on opposte side, there was a porsche 911
with a beer keg in its windscreen which. Been impressed by Porsches ever since.

So poo happens but if you want to be 100% safe, stay at home and don't get out of bed. I'll bet more limbs are broken getting out of bed than Massa type injuries.


DaveFJ - 29/7/09 at 09:53 AM

went out for a blat on sunday night and took my helmet where i would have just worn sunglasses before... it definately made me think twice!

as for 'we cant make it to 160'... we dont have to! if something comes off or dropped from a vehicle coming the other way then the closing speed can easily be fatser that 160!


Richard Quinn - 29/7/09 at 11:17 AM

A mate of mine had a metal object (valve fitting or similar) flicked up by the wagon in front. This went through both the front and rear screens!! He was with his wife and two kids at the time and it passed straight through the middle of the car without physically harming any of them. This type of incident really is a matter of luck and wrong place, wrong time.


mangogrooveworkshop - 1/8/09 at 06:59 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHZybt3


iank - 1/8/09 at 07:10 PM

quote:
Originally posted by mangogrooveworkshop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHZybt3


malformed ID according to youtube. Looks like a missed a character off the end on the cut'n'paste.


GaryM - 10/8/09 at 09:30 AM

In my first 900 miles of locost motoring (with just an aeroscreen) I had two near misses. The worst was at only 30 mph, the flying stone was not large to see properly (so couldn't have been that big) but it ricocheted off my rollover hoop (mms from my right eye) like a bullet.

My windscreen upgrade started the next day!!

Next time you see a screened Caterham in the flesh, count the number of stone chips in the glass.

Gary

[Edited on 10/8/09 by GaryM]


Ninehigh - 15/8/09 at 11:23 AM

quote:
Originally posted by 02GF74
there was a porsche 911 with a beer keg in its windscreen which. Been impressed by Porsches ever since.

So poo happens but if you want to be 100% safe, stay at home and don't get out of bed. I'll bet more limbs are broken getting out of bed than Massa type injuries.


The 22gal beer kegs weigh about 50kg empty too! I bet poo happened in that car

You know I always thought the laminated windscreen was supposed to stop things coming through it. Of course it can't stop everything but I've seen those windows take some hefty smacking and although they break they don't break through. Must be getting some serious force in to go through the front and back window