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24 hour clock or a.m/p.m. Not hybrid.
bobinspain - 14/9/11 at 10:51 PM

I know it's no big deal, but am I alone in finding the above an unnecessary irritant?
You can't have 0455pm.
You CAN have 1655 hrs or 4.55pm.
So please decide which it's to be Chris. Right now the time-tag is a dog's breakfast. Either go for the 24 clock (a-la military), or go for the 'civvy' a.m. p.m. nomenclature, but please let's not have a hybrid of the two.

Keep up the great work.
Bob.


NigeEss - 15/9/11 at 07:39 AM

I can honestly say I have never noticed, so it bothers me not a jot.


ReMan - 15/9/11 at 07:52 AM

All alone.
And I have a long list of irritants, that' not one of them


stevebubs - 15/9/11 at 08:17 AM

?? Where are you looking? I can only see 24 hour time stamps on posts, no am/pm.


bobinspain - 15/9/11 at 08:55 AM

quote:
Originally posted by stevebubs
?? Where are you looking? I can only see 24 hour time stamps on posts, no am/pm.






Steve.

Check any post-lunchtime, (post-meridian, p.m.) posting, either in this list or the main index.
Once we are past 12 noon, (1200hrs), we get all p.m. times listed as: '0' something or another p.m. It's the only time I've EVER come across it, as it's wrong !!.
So 3.15pm (civilian notation), or 1515hrs (24 hr clock or military), becomes erroneously, 0315pm. which doesn't exist (except in the Locost Forum).
0315hrs does exist. It's 3.15 in the morning 3.15am. (ante-meridian: before the meridian).
It's mixing the military 24 hr clock with the civilian am/pm clock and it' plain incorrect. You end up with a 'bastard-hybrid.' (my words).

I may not know much about cars, but with 3,500 military flying hours behind me, trust me! I'm correct on this one.
My point being that on a superb website such as this one, a glaring, yet simply corrected error could do with addressing.
('nuff said).
Regards, Bob.


whitestu - 15/9/11 at 09:00 AM

What really annoys me is when people write something like '10am in the morning' as though you could have it in the afternoon if you wanted.


chrisxr2 - 15/9/11 at 09:00 AM

When you fly alot it gets bloody annoying, ex military so 24hr clock for me only please. Its when they put the 24hr as the am time then witer pm after really grates me.


Benzine - 15/9/11 at 09:16 AM

Control panel > edit profile > select 24 hour


blakep82 - 15/9/11 at 09:40 AM

the clock on my oven goes from 2359 to 2400, then 0001, i think that would send you to the mental home if you had this oven.
personally, meh, its only an extra 0 really isn't it? doesn't offend me... or as Ben says, change to 24 hour clock in control panel.
personally i have bigger things to worry about


chrisxr2 - 15/9/11 at 09:47 AM

Not quite sure how that will influence my flight times on tickets at airports around the world!!!!



quote:
Originally posted by Benzine
Control panel > edit profile > select 24 hour


ReMan - 15/9/11 at 09:51 AM

Ha ha
I think that big brother has been watching
And doing................


Fozzie - 15/9/11 at 10:36 AM

No.......I really don't know what the problem is here

I do not get am or pm on the posting times ... all I see is, for example, 09:00, or 10:50, or 13:00 or 23:15 (all examples ......)

I do not get the 'am' or the 'pm'.......

Have you selected the 24hr in your profile as suggested, and is your puter set to the 24hr clock?

Fozzie


ReMan - 15/9/11 at 10:43 AM

Earlier today, at the time of my first response, Bob's post time said 23.51PM and Nigesses respose post said 08.39AM.
And now they don't.
And I've changed nothing..............
Dark forces?


bobinspain - 15/9/11 at 10:57 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Fozzie
No.......I really don't know what the problem is here

I do not get am or pm on the posting times ... all I see is, for example, 09:00, or 10:50, or 13:00 or 23:15 (all examples ......)

I do not get the 'am' or the 'pm'.......

Have you selected the 24hr in your profile as suggested, and is your puter set to the 24hr clock?

Fozzie



As Blackadder would say............."Ah Ha !!!" Selecting 24 hr clock hides the fact that the 12 hour clock displays 'nonsense times' like 0455pm. "Out of sight, out of mind."
I can live with that.

Thanks Fozzie.

Regards, Bob.


Humbug - 15/9/11 at 11:23 AM

As above - I have 24 hour clock selected and it displays correctly

btw "ante-meridian" should be "ante meridiem"

P. Dant


blakep82 - 15/9/11 at 11:27 AM

ha, work this one out then...

http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=144437

look at the edited dates on this one

two different date formats, UK and US unless there's now a 27th month i wasn't told about


ReMan - 15/9/11 at 11:32 AM

So why my no display AMPM now, as mentioned I've not changed nothing no sir?


Daddylonglegs - 15/9/11 at 11:37 AM

What baffles me is the fact that we have 23:59 and 00:01, where have the 2 minutes inbetween them gone?


bobinspain - 15/9/11 at 11:40 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Humbug
As above - I have 24 hour clock selected and it displays correctly

btw "ante-meridian" should be "ante meridiem"

P. Dant



At least have the good grace to check your facts Mr Dant. (P or otherwise).

MERIDIAN. It refers to a line of longitude (imaginary) passing great-circle fashion through the north and south geographic poles.
In the case of am and pm the MERIDIAN in question is that of the Royal Greenwich Observatory. As a matter of fact, our longitude here in Spain (Castellon) is just about spot on zero.

Regards, Bob. Squadron Leader R E Lee. RAF (ret'd).


bobinspain - 15/9/11 at 12:19 PM

quote:
Originally posted by blakep82
ha, work this one out then...

http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=144437

look at the edited dates on this one

two different date formats, UK and US unless there's now a 27th month i wasn't told about



Yep, that's them thar Yanks fer ya.
What's been headline news all week? "9/11" ten yr anniversary thereof.
That's the 11th day of the ninth month. Not the way us Brits would normally do it. We say 7/11. Eleventh day of the seventh month.


Just because I can't spell Armageddon, it's not the end of the world !


Fozzie - 15/9/11 at 12:27 PM

quote:
Originally posted by ReMan
So why my no display AMPM now, as mentioned I've not changed nothing no sir?


Dunno .... I have never had the am/pm display,and nope, I've not touched owt ......

Having a bit of trub seeing what our Blake is talking about on that link posted above.....
mind I've an 'edache and only 36 hours post op........

Fozzie

Edit to add....I have found it! ( Blakes link, date difference!.)...
The date format is also an option in each users profile............

[Edited on 15-9-11 by Fozzie]


bobinspain - 15/9/11 at 12:28 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Daddylonglegs
What baffles me is the fact that we have 23:59 and 00:01, where have the 2 minutes inbetween them gone?



You're right Daddyo.

Technically we go from 2359.59s to 2400 (but try and find it on your digital clock). A day ends at 2400hrs and the next day begins at 0000hrs. Most (all?) clocks flick from 2359 to 0000 and begin the 24 hour count again.

Regards, Bob.


tomgregory2000 - 15/9/11 at 12:36 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Daddylonglegs
What baffles me is the fact that we have 23:59 and 00:01, where have the 2 minutes inbetween them gone?


i only make that 1 minute and 1 second ie: 23:59:59 to 00:01:00


stevebubs - 15/9/11 at 01:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by bobinspain
quote:
Originally posted by stevebubs
?? Where are you looking? I can only see 24 hour time stamps on posts, no am/pm.






Steve.

Check any post-lunchtime, (post-meridian, p.m.) posting, either in this list or the main index.
Once we are past 12 noon, (1200hrs), we get all p.m. times listed as: '0' something or another p.m. It's the only time I've EVER come across it, as it's wrong !!.
So 3.15pm (civilian notation), or 1515hrs (24 hr clock or military), becomes erroneously, 0315pm. which doesn't exist (except in the Locost Forum).
0315hrs does exist. It's 3.15 in the morning 3.15am. (ante-meridian: before the meridian).
It's mixing the military 24 hr clock with the civilian am/pm clock and it' plain incorrect. You end up with a 'bastard-hybrid.' (my words).

I may not know much about cars, but with 3,500 military flying hours behind me, trust me! I'm correct on this one.
My point being that on a superb website such as this one, a glaring, yet simply corrected error could do with addressing.
('nuff said).
Regards, Bob.


Nope - mine doesn't do that, but I have 24hour clock selected in my profile...


Alan B - 15/9/11 at 01:46 PM

quote:
Originally posted by bobinspain

What's been headline news all week? "9/11" ten yr anniversary thereof.
That's the 11th day of the ninth month. Not the way us Brits would normally do it. We say 7/11. Eleventh day of the seventh month.


Just because I can't spell Armageddon, it's not the end of the world !




The biggest thing here that pi**es me off the most is the use of ......"x" year aniversary....there is nothing wrong with the simpler and correct form of ......"x" th aniversary.

You would never say"it's my 45 year birthday next week"

End of yank bashing...after all I technically am one now.....


stevebubs - 15/9/11 at 02:47 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Alan B
quote:
Originally posted by bobinspain

What's been headline news all week? "9/11" ten yr anniversary thereof.
That's the 11th day of the ninth month. Not the way us Brits would normally do it. We say 7/11. Eleventh day of the seventh month.


Just because I can't spell Armageddon, it's not the end of the world !




The biggest thing here that pi**es me off the most is the use of ......"x" year aniversary....there is nothing wrong with the simpler and correct form of ......"x" th aniversary.

You would never say"it's my 45 year birthday next week"

End of yank bashing...after all I technically am one now.....


Trouble is people celebrate week and month anniversaries now, too!!


Alan B - 15/9/11 at 03:12 PM

quote:
Originally posted by stevebubs

Snipped....

Trouble is people celebrate week and month anniversaries now, too!!


And that's the thing...there are no such thing as aniversaries in fractions of years.......aniversary means "annual reoccurance"

Grrrrrrrrrrrr

Easily pi**ed these days....ought to chill I guess


plentywahalla - 15/9/11 at 07:01 PM

quote:
Originally posted by bobinspain
quote:
Originally posted by Humbug
As above - I have 24 hour clock selected and it displays correctly

btw "ante-meridian" should be "ante meridiem"

P. Dant



At least have the good grace to check your facts Mr Dant. (P or otherwise).

MERIDIAN. It refers to a line of longitude (imaginary) passing great-circle fashion through the north and south geographic poles.
In the case of am and pm the MERIDIAN in question is that of the Royal Greenwich Observatory. As a matter of fact, our longitude here in Spain (Castellon) is just about spot on zero.

Regards, Bob. Squadron Leader R E Lee. RAF (ret'd).


Sorry Bob but Mr Dant is correct.

Common usage is 'Ante Meridiem' meaning after the 'peak' or when the sun is at the highest point in the sky i.e. midday. It has nothing to do with the Greenwich Meridian which is Zero longitude. You can be East or West or the Meridian, but you can only be Ante or Post the Meridiem

May not have done much flying, but 30,000 miles at sea does teach you something.

[Edited on 15/9/11 by plentywahalla]


ReMan - 15/9/11 at 07:47 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Fozzie
quote:
Originally posted by ReMan
So why my no display AMPM now, as mentioned I've not changed nothing no sir?


Dunno .... I have never had the am/pm display,and nope, I've not touched owt ......

Having a bit of trub seeing what our Blake is talking about on that link posted above.....
mind I've an 'edache and only 36 hours post op........

Fozzie

Edit to add....I have found it! ( Blakes link, date difference!.)...
The date format is also an option in each users profile............

[Edited on 15-9-11 by Fozzie]

I don't believe it!!
If this was work I'd have taken a screenshot and posted it, I bet theres one in someones photo gallery and I'm still convinced there are dark forces at work, come on admit it Chris


JoelP - 15/9/11 at 07:47 PM

there is a sign in leeds city centre saying '24 hour access required all day', which i always find most amusing.


bobinspain - 15/9/11 at 08:39 PM

For Plentywahalla.

I have to confess never having heard of meridiem in over 1,000,000 miles of flying, using astro (including a 'Merpass' sun fix on the way to Gan, 73degrees 10minutes E, 0041mins S.) and many sun/moon fixes etc. (in a VC10 at 480kts) and circumnavigating the North Geographic pole in a Britannia etc. The word doesn't appear in either Cassell's or Collin's full English dictionary.
Mr Dant it transpires refers to meridiem correctly however. I apologise to him.
I am aware of the point you make re' am/pm and GMT, utilising as I had to, air almanac and astro reduction tables in the 70's, before the advent of GPS.
You learn something new every day.


blakep82 - 15/9/11 at 08:45 PM

quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
there is a sign in leeds city centre saying '24 hour access required all day', which i always find most amusing.


my local tesco is 24hrs 7 days a week, but closed between 2 and 5 on a saturday nite/sunday morning....


bobinspain - 15/9/11 at 09:10 PM

Plentywahalla.

Websters and Wiktionary state that the correct terminology for am and pm is ante and post meridan. (Other sources quote meridiem).
Most agree that ante meridiem is used as an adverb as in, "Let's meet at 11am."
Equally, they agree that ante meridian is used adjectivally to denote am.
No wiser really !!!
What is certain is my original observation that there's no such time as (for example) 0455pm.


MikeR - 15/9/11 at 09:31 PM

Lets just correct something else ....

AlanB - you're from Preston (*), therefore you're British!

(*) at least thats what i've got a vague memory of you saying.


Fozzie - 15/9/11 at 09:48 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MikeR
Lets just correct something else ....

AlanB - you're from Preston (*), therefore you're British!

(*) at least thats what i've got a vague memory of you saying.


Surely British could mean any of the countries that make up Great Britain ....?
As Preston is in England....that would make Alan English.

Sorry...but that is something that really makes my blood boil ....being classed as British when infact
Britain is a collection of countries we can't have been born in Britain, but in one of the countries that
comprises Britain, as I'm sure the Scots, Welsh and Irish born will also agree....

Fozzie ....
(Mr P Dantics' cousin) ....


Alan B - 15/9/11 at 09:58 PM

I guess in a way I'm still English although I have US citizenship I did not give up my UK citizenship either...

Yup, originally from sunny Preston....(well it was one day, I'm sure...)


Macbeast - 15/9/11 at 10:21 PM

Meridiem is Latin for midday in the accusative case. So am - before midday: pm after midday.

If " am / pm " refers to the Greenwich Prime Meridian, what does a Canadian mean when he says " meet you at 2 pm " ? 09.00 Canadian clock time ?

Now get back to building cars !!



[Edited on 15/9/11 by Macbeast]


jeffw - 16/9/11 at 05:51 AM

quote:
Originally posted by bobinspain
quote:
Originally posted by stevebubs
?? Where are you looking? I can only see 24 hour time stamps on posts, no am/pm.






Steve.

Check any post-lunchtime, (post-meridian, p.m.) posting, either in this list or the main index.
Once we are past 12 noon, (1200hrs), we get all p.m. times listed as: '0' something or another p.m. It's the only time I've EVER come across it, as it's wrong !!.
So 3.15pm (civilian notation), or 1515hrs (24 hr clock or military), becomes erroneously, 0315pm. which doesn't exist (except in the Locost Forum).
0315hrs does exist. It's 3.15 in the morning 3.15am. (ante-meridian: before the meridian).
It's mixing the military 24 hr clock with the civilian am/pm clock and it' plain incorrect. You end up with a 'bastard-hybrid.' (my words).

I may not know much about cars, but with 3,500 military flying hours behind me, trust me! I'm correct on this one.
My point being that on a superb website such as this one, a glaring, yet simply corrected error could do with addressing.
('nuff said).
Regards, Bob.


Should your example not be 0315Z ?


Macbeast - 16/9/11 at 06:13 AM

Should your example not be 0315Z ?

Only if you're talking about GMT

We're now on GMT + 1 = A

[Edited on 16/9/11 by Macbeast]


bobinspain - 16/9/11 at 07:20 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Macbeast
Meridiem is Latin for midday in the accusative case. So am - before midday: pm after midday.

If " am / pm " refers to the Greenwich Prime Meridian, what does a Canadian mean when he says " meet you at 2 pm " ? 09.00 Canadian clock time ?

Now get back to building cars !!



[Edited on 15/9/11 by Macbeast]


I was being case-specific, referring to the times posted on this site, based in UK. So far as I know, I'm not posting from Canada, Timbucktu nor anywhere else for that matter, but as I explained from Castellon, (on the Greenwich meridian).


Macbeast - 16/9/11 at 07:44 AM

Still wrong. Times shown here are BST ( GMT + 1 ).

How on earth did you manage to find a small island in the middle of the Indian Ocean ?


scudderfish - 16/9/11 at 08:20 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Fozzie
quote:
Originally posted by MikeR
Lets just correct something else ....

AlanB - you're from Preston (*), therefore you're British!

(*) at least thats what i've got a vague memory of you saying.


Surely British could mean any of the countries that make up Great Britain ....?
As Preston is in England....that would make Alan English.

Sorry...but that is something that really makes my blood boil ....being classed as British when infact
Britain is a collection of countries we can't have been born in Britain, but in one of the countries that
comprises Britain, as I'm sure the Scots, Welsh and Irish born will also agree....

Fozzie ....
(Mr P Dantics' cousin) ....


I was born in Britain, I was also born in Wales, I was also born in Clywd, I was also born in Mancot. It's just a matter of resolution as to how you define it. I class myself as British as I was born in Wales, I grew up in England and I have Scottish parents.


Fozzie - 16/9/11 at 08:33 AM

Blimmin 'eck Scuddy .....

You were born 4 times ???????

Your poor mum!

Fozzie



[Edited on 16-9-11 by Fozzie]


scudderfish - 16/9/11 at 08:45 AM


scudderfish - 16/9/11 at 08:46 AM

BTW, Fozzie, you can't count!


Fozzie - 16/9/11 at 09:01 AM

quote:
Originally posted by scudderfish
BTW, Fozzie, you can't count!


You are quite right........didn't get to bed 'til gone 05:00
Me eyes weren't in right..I shall edit it .....


jeffw - 16/9/11 at 10:12 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Macbeast
Should your example not be 0315Z ?

Only if you're talking about GMT

We're now on GMT + 1 = A

[Edited on 16/9/11 by Macbeast]


My point was that in 'Military' terms time is never refered to as 0315hrs but rather 0315Z for GMT. During my time in the Navy everything was in Zulu time regardless of local time.


Macbeast - 16/9/11 at 10:31 AM

Very sensible too. I've always said the whole world should be on GMT. So what if the Japanese go to work at 0100 Z- the Sun's up.


bobinspain - 17/9/11 at 02:46 PM

Macbeast.

Not only did I find Gan, but I did so around 80 times en-route to either Singapore or Hong Kong for a 3-5 night stopover at a 5 star hotel accompanied (often) by a British Airways crew and attendant lovlies.
It was a hard life, but someone had to do it.


MikeRJ - 17/9/11 at 02:58 PM

Having a leading zero on a 12 hour clock might be a floggable offence in the military, but it's utterly, completely and blatantly obvious that 04:56pm is the same as 4:56pm. I would love to have so little to worry about that this kind of thing was top of my agenda!

[Edited on 17/9/11 by MikeRJ]


bobinspain - 17/9/11 at 03:16 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
Having a leading zero on a 12 hour clock might be a floggable offence in the military, but it's utterly, completely and blatantly obvious that 04:56pm is the same as 4:56pm. I would love to have so little to worry about that this kind of thing was top of my agenda!

[Edited on 17/9/11 by MikeRJ]




I always manage a wry smile when I read comments like yours Mike. You manage to find time to comment on a topic you find trite and unworthy of comment. Keep up the good work.




So what if I can't spell Armageddon? It's not the end of the world.