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Triangulation
scootz - 29/12/11 at 08:19 PM

Is there a 'correct' way to triangulate a square or rectangle?

Top... Middle... Bottom???


sebastiaan - 29/12/11 at 08:20 PM

Top. The idea is to NOT introduce bending moments in any of the chassis members in a spaceframe. Which the other two options do.


scootz - 29/12/11 at 08:22 PM

Cheers Sebastiaan!


sebastiaan - 29/12/11 at 08:24 PM

some basic reading here: http://www.preengineeredbuilding.co.in/space-frame.html

edit: link fixed. I hope...

[Edited on 29/12/11 by sebastiaan]


scootz - 29/12/11 at 08:26 PM

That links not working Sebastiaan (at least not for me).


imp paul - 29/12/11 at 08:28 PM

no mate it seems to be faulty


spiderman - 29/12/11 at 08:29 PM

Top is best but hardest to weld due to restriction of space to get the welding torch close enough to the weld. Using round tube as the brace helps with access.
Ask me how I know!


SCAR - 29/12/11 at 08:52 PM

Not a great deal of differance providing the offset from the corner is kept small and best would be subject to the direction and position of the loads that are to be imposed.
Item 1 would distribute any imposed loads more uniformly.

And there are only two varaitions shown, images 2 and 3 are the same thing veiwed from a different position.(for a square)

[Edited on 29/12/11 by SCAR]


Neville Jones - 29/12/11 at 08:53 PM

I do 99% of mine by intersecting centrelines, as similar to the top.

Problems with welding torch size??? What size shroud are you using? I use a 12mm and a 10mm, never had one I couldn't get to yet.

Cheers,
Nev.


Wadders - 29/12/11 at 08:58 PM

That's the correct way, tube centrelines should always intersect....well thats what they taught us at school anyhow,
not always possible in practise though.

Al.



Originally posted by Neville Jones
I do 99% of mine by intersecting centrelines, as similar to the top.

Problems with welding torch size??? What size shroud are you using? I use a 12mm and a 10mm, never had one I couldn't get to yet.

Cheers,
Nev.



Confused but excited. - 29/12/11 at 09:53 PM

+1
You actually answered your own question. Only the top method produces triangles.


designer - 29/12/11 at 10:32 PM

Top.

All the centre lines of the tubes should meet at the same point.

http://www.shedworks.eu/hints.html

Column 2, 5 down.


plentywahalla - 29/12/11 at 10:48 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Confused but excited.
+1
You actually answered your own question. Only the top method produces triangles.


Exactly ... The clue is in the question. Only the top one creates triangles, the rest are quadrilaterals which are inherently weaker.


loggyboy - 29/12/11 at 11:22 PM

Whilst the above comments are of course correct, the location within the chassis may not require 100% triangulation and the lower 2 verions could well be acceptable if it was practically difficult to achieve perfect triangles.

For example:


the forces applied to the front box would not require perfect triangulation in that position.


Volvorsport - 29/12/11 at 11:26 PM

imagine you were pinning all the joints ................


scootz - 30/12/11 at 08:53 AM

Cheers fellas!

Loggyboys pic shows why I was asking... I've seen loads of chassis with diagonal braces like this. In fact, I rarely see perfect triangles.

Maybe I should have used the word diagonal instead of triangulation in the thread title.


iank - 30/12/11 at 11:12 AM

Every chassis is a compromise somewhere, a perfect spaceframe is already compromised by the need to put people, engines, fuel tanks etc in somewhere.
If you can get every tube into a perfect triangle then that's great, but if you need a steering arm to go where the perfect tube would then it's the chassis that's going to end up compromised. Like most things in life do your best, but don't kill yourself if it's not perfect.

Having said that some manufactures seem to do rather better than others in this area.