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autotrader - 2/9/06 at 04:17 PM

IM CONSIDERING BUYING A KIT
i cant decide on one but am leaning toward an MK INDY?good/bad choice??

i have no mechanical experience and dont know much about cars...do you think im wasting my time and money or could i build it successfully with a bit/lot of elbow grease??
help me decide !!
thanks barry IRELAND


mookaloid - 2/9/06 at 04:20 PM

Just about anyone with a bit of enthusiasm can build an Indy.

It's not a bad choice at all. You can use a single donor sierra and with a haynes manual and some help from here you will have access to all the information you need.

Go for it

Cheers

Mark


cct7kitcars - 2/9/06 at 04:27 PM

depends on how much you want to spend and how much work you want to do

joe

cct7kitcars


StevieB - 2/9/06 at 04:41 PM

I bought my Indy kit a couple of months ago and would certainly recomend it as a starter - it's a fairly simple kit, but the instructions aren't too prescriptive (as you might find with a westfield, say), so you have to do a bit of research (this site is superb for advice and guidance), and the end result is a bit more individual as well.

What type of engine do you want?


mandbsheldon - 2/9/06 at 04:41 PM

Indy every day of the week. I've built 2 now. Quality is proberbly the best out there and the build is straight forward.
IMO

Leigh


cct7kitcars - 2/9/06 at 04:46 PM

how long does it take with an indy to build the rolling chassis


Hellfire - 2/9/06 at 04:48 PM

I'd go for an Indy too - we've built two now and we seem to be getting better. Handling is great, finish of GRP is good... help from MK Indy Owners Club Members is excellent (non-members too .

Have a look at our site - it gives you an insight as to what is required.

Steve

Regarding build: it's not how long it takes but how good it is to get there. Depends what you do... our wishbones are chromed etc but I'd say possibly 16 hours.

[Edited on 2-9-06 by Hellfire]


StevieB - 2/9/06 at 04:49 PM

To get it on wheels in very basic form?

If all your donor parts are cleaned and ready to go (high recomend doing this - I didn't and it's a pain in the a**e), I reckon you could actually do it in a few days if you work at it.

I've mentally run through every stage of the build and think the only tricky bit will be getting the electrics working (I'm not much of a spark!)

As Steve says, look at the Hellfire site - it's what made my mind up about the Indy and is a great reference when you're stuck.

[Edited on 2/9/06 by StevieB]


whitestu - 2/9/06 at 04:50 PM

I agree - build is very easy, but if you don't have much knowledge of mechanical stuff you'll need to be prepared to learn, unless you pay someone else to do the tricky bits for you.


StevieB - 2/9/06 at 04:52 PM

quote:
Originally posted by whitestu
I agree - build is very easy, but if you don't have much knowledge of mechanical stuff you'll need to be prepared to learn, unless you pay someone else to do the tricky bits for you.


But doing everything yourself and learning along the way means you'll be able to fix any faults yourself, and can have more pride in your build as well!


DIY Si - 2/9/06 at 04:56 PM

Or whats even better is to pay or bribe someone to show you how to sort the tricky bits. That way when/if it breaks you can fix it yourself.


StevieB - 2/9/06 at 05:03 PM

My bribe is a shot blasting cabinet:

'Of course I'll clean up your rear hubs, but it'll take a while. If you could just have a look at my wiring loom while I'm working...'


cct7kitcars - 2/9/06 at 05:11 PM

i build a full rolling chassis with the brakes all fitted and bleed and the wiring loom fitted in place in two days

joe

cct7kitcars


stevec - 2/9/06 at 05:19 PM

Indy.


StevieB - 2/9/06 at 05:24 PM

Strikers are good as well, and I was nearly ready to buy when I decided they'd got a bit pricey for such an ugly (if extremely capable) car.

People love their Indy's though!


cct7kitcars - 2/9/06 at 05:32 PM

i dont build indys


smart51 - 2/9/06 at 05:37 PM

I chose an MNR vortex over an indy. The indy was my first choice untill I saw the vortx. When I was looking, the vortx chassis looked better than the indy, though I'm no expert, plus the shape and fit of the GRP looked better too.

There is a kit car show on at Donnington in a couple of weeks. The best thing you could do is go there. Look at all the kits. Talk to the guys on the stand and then decide.


907 - 2/9/06 at 05:47 PM

quote:
Originally posted by autotrader
IM CONSIDERING BUYING A KIT
i cant decide on one but am leaning toward an MK INDY?good/bad choice??

i have no mechanical experience and dont know much about cars...do you think im wasting my time and money or could i build it successfully with a bit/lot of elbow grease??
help me decide !!
thanks barry IRELAND




Hi Barry,

If you have no mechanical knowledge of cars then my advise would be to get a donor first.
Strip it, clean up the bits, and that way you'll learn about kit cars before lashing out hundreds of pounds on the kit.

If you get to like messing about with cars this will be time well spent.
If you don't, then you will not have spent a fortune, in fact, you could sell
the bits and recoup the cost of the donor if you buy wisely.

Personally I didn't use a single donor, but spent the first three months of my build just collecting bits
from scrappy's and the like, and I loved every minute.

Hope this helps.

Paul G


Danozeman - 2/9/06 at 05:55 PM

I have to agree wit Paul (907). Get a donor first, strip it clean all the bits up ready, YOul learn while u remove and clean up etc then all the bits will be ready to bolt on to your kit when it arrives. You wont have to store what is effectively 2 cars then either. If u decide its not for you its easier to sell on with not much expense.


As for the kit if i was building another i would go for either an MNR or MK indy. The indys are good and look very nice when done. Personally i would go for the MNR vortex as i prefer the way they sit and the chassis but thats just me. The indys are a bloody good kit. I was going to go for one first but Luego were closer to me so easier for bits collection etc.


cct7kitcars - 2/9/06 at 05:58 PM

dont mention my car will you

joe


smart51 - 2/9/06 at 06:03 PM

You don't have to strip a donor. I didn't and I wouldn't if I were doing it again.

I bought the bits ready stripped and cleaned from a guy on here. There are companies that will sell you donor parts as is or fully reconditioned. This way it saves you having a sierra on your drive for ages. You also don't ahve to get rid of the shell.


StevieB - 2/9/06 at 06:10 PM

I got my donor parts from MK for £250, which included everything I need plus the uprights and steering column were already modified, so I could get on with cleaning/painting them straight away.


907 - 2/9/06 at 06:26 PM

I think you've missed the point chaps.


O, and Joe, I've seen your car, very nice it is too.

My mate, and his missus, were well impressed with the ride.

Paul G


fesycresy - 2/9/06 at 07:30 PM

Get a donor car, then you can keep the log book, chassis plates and all the mechanical bits you need. Don't forget to fill out the SORN.

Registering the car with the donor documents and the correct filling out of the forms should avoid a Q plate, unless you want one of course.


BKLOCO - 2/9/06 at 08:01 PM

Why the Indy?
There are plenty of 7 style cars around of which the MK is but one.

Whilst the Indy is probably not the worst. It is probably not the best either.

Look around.

Open your eyes and look at what you want from your build.

Go to shows and talk to manufacturers and builders.

Allways remember that every builder you talk to will have bought the best kit and every manufacturer will have the best kit and the best deal.

The trick is sorting the bulls**t from the facts and trust me you'll hear plenty of the former.....


mandbsheldon - 2/9/06 at 08:07 PM

Wouldn't want to influance you, but get the Indy, you'll not be dissopointed!

leigh


StevieB - 2/9/06 at 08:17 PM

The cars that I was most tempted with were the MK, MNR, Striker, Mac1 and Stewart Taylor. All good cars, based close to my home and reasonabkly priced. MK and MNR both great to deal with, as I'm sure Raw, Mac and ST are as well.

I went for the Indy based on the amount of recomendations they get and also the fact that of the people I knwo with sevens, none have an Indy (yet)


coozer - 2/9/06 at 09:27 PM

I think all the kits mentioned are good now. SVA has developed the kits and they dont require the builders design input so much.

If you had Meccano or Lego when you were a kid and can handle a drill for some small holes then your onto a winner.

Oh, a good sense of humour is handy as well when you take the skin off


scoey m - 2/9/06 at 10:18 PM

My personnel opinion would be mnr looked at others and found mnr to be the one for me but each to their own as others said visit donnington veiw all and work from that
Best of luck


BKLOCO - 3/9/06 at 06:31 AM

Allways remember that every builder you talk to will have bought the best kit and every manufacturer will have the best kit and the best deal.


Read above

Told you so


Gav - 3/9/06 at 07:59 AM

Kit? Kits are for girls, get a copy of McSorley Plans and get some steel ordered


JamJah - 3/9/06 at 10:45 AM

isnt this in the wrong category?


autotrader - 7/9/06 at 11:43 AM

thanks for all the replies
im new to the site but already it seems like an excellent place for advice!!
barry from ireland


NS Dev - 7/9/06 at 12:01 PM

quote:
Originally posted by BKLOCO
Why the Indy?
There are plenty of 7 style cars around of which the MK is but one.

Whilst the Indy is probably not the worst. It is probably not the best either.

Look around.

Open your eyes and look at what you want from your build.

Go to shows and talk to manufacturers and builders.

Allways remember that every builder you talk to will have bought the best kit and every manufacturer will have the best kit and the best deal.

The trick is sorting the bulls**t from the facts and trust me you'll hear plenty of the former.....


Totally agree

Went through a mire of bull when selecting what to build.

Here were my conclusions:

MK - discounted due to chassis and suspension shortcomings plus didn't like tall bodywork and funny looking nose

Striker - very good car but too ugly

Westfield - very nearly got the vote, not mad keen on the body shape, but starter kits are VERY well priced, but parts after that are where they make the money!

Caterham - £££££££££££££££££££

F27 - too ugly

Robin Hood - poor engineering

Tiger - saw that thing they make that uses the sierra rear end complete and swore never to buy anything from them

MNR - never heard of them when I started out, otherwise I would have one now!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Totally EXCELLENT chassis and suspension as far as I can see. Not mad keen on the body though.

Procomp LA Gold - EXCELLENT choice as a track day or race car. Looked into the idea carefully, but live axle so not ideal for our rough roads (I was really after a de-dion setup)

Stuart Taylor Loco - won pretty much everything in Locost and 750MC, well developed (if not well made) chassis and suspension, lowline bodywork similar to caterham which looks good, zero bullshit company owner!!! (bit too zero bullshit sometimes!!)

I settled for the Stuart Taylor. not a car to build if you need lots of support though!

If I was to do it again, for road use I would have the MNR, for track use the Procomp LA Gold.

[Edited on 7/9/06 by NS Dev]


MikeRJ - 7/9/06 at 04:29 PM

quote:
Originally posted by StevieB
Strikers are good as well, and I was nearly ready to buy when I decided they'd got a bit pricey for such an ugly


Ugly? Blasphemy!


beppesignori - 16/9/06 at 11:21 PM

I am in the process of selecting a kit as well...very confusing. I actually found the RH Lightweight very interesting, but most people know what happened to that idea. Back to scratch, and MK caught my eye as well. But like somebody else mentioned, the bonnet looks too high and the nose a bit funny.
The hardest part is trying to figure out the total build cost, and what the different kits include compared to each other. The GTS Panther looks to me to be the cheapest around, but haven't read much about them. Also, I would like an IRS whishbone setup? Living in Scotland, I am far away from everything, so at least that doesn't have to influence my descission.

So..no closer to making a choice, but I will decide en a months time...want it to be finished come late spring..

Very useful forum, looking forward to spending much more time in here..

Beppe

And MikeRJ..I think the Striker is great looking..but too expensive

[Edited on 16/9/06 by beppesignori]


NS Dev - 18/9/06 at 06:04 PM

remember that a few hundred quid either way interms of price will make absolutely no odds at all on the finished car, as it will cost much more than you budget anyway.