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brake problem rears locking first
zxrlocost - 25/4/06 at 01:27 PM

hi

I have the sierra cigar cylinder brand new

2 to the front 1 to rear

only prob is rear locks up first

anyone shed any light

I thought it worked straight out the box

all calipers are new sierra ones etc

ta chris


greggors84 - 25/4/06 at 01:37 PM

Have you got discs on the rear?

Problem is the sierra has a lot more weight over the back end than a 7.

You will probably have to fit an adjustable brake bias valve, or you can get one from a fiesta that screws into the master cylinder, these are meant to work well.


jos - 25/4/06 at 01:41 PM

The sierra uses a bias valve to ensure the rears dont lock up first


zxrlocost - 25/4/06 at 01:42 PM

so what shall I get

I have a tillet racing bar thingy will that do


zxrlocost - 25/4/06 at 01:45 PM

yes I have discs all round

we bled the system all worked perfect but now wev'e took it for a good run there was no air when we bled it but the brakes have just gone shite now after a long run
all fluids are ok etc so I think ill rebleed them

ta chris


greggors84 - 25/4/06 at 01:47 PM

Tillet racing bar? Is that an adjustable bias bar before the m/cs? if so you will need 2 m/cs one for the front one for the back.

Its prbobably easiest just to fit the fiesta bias valve, im tempted to take off my willwood bias valve and fit one as i have no way of easily pinning it for SVA. Although someone told me the other day that is the bias valve is out of reach it doesnt need to be pinned. Mine is next to the diff so should be fine.

Can anyone confirm this.


zxrlocost - 25/4/06 at 01:52 PM

yes its just an adjustable bar 1 in 1 out didnt realise I needed to have 2 M/C's


James - 25/4/06 at 02:44 PM

Fiat Uno bias valve.

Easy, light, 20 quid- sorted!

HTH,
James


zxrlocost - 25/4/06 at 02:54 PM

ok cheers mate


greggors84 - 25/4/06 at 03:20 PM

quote:
Originally posted by zxrlocost
yes its just an adjustable bar 1 in 1 out didnt realise I needed to have 2 M/C's


1 in 1 out? The ones ive seen are 1 in 2 out and you adjust the bar, this then distributes the pressure between the m/cs depending how you have adjusted it.


rayward - 25/4/06 at 03:37 PM

one on ebay

link thingy

Ray


britishtrident - 25/4/06 at 03:47 PM

Even simpler a Mondeo bias valve screwed into the master cylinder outlet --- easy to get off a scrapper --- cut the pipe and unscrew -- remember to cut the pipe as you need the tube nut off it -- different thread.


britishtrident - 25/4/06 at 03:49 PM

quote:
Originally posted by rayward
one on ebay

link thingy

Ray



no good for sva cause you can't lock it --

NTP thread fittings ?


OX - 25/4/06 at 04:44 PM

i didnt have to lock mine becouse he said it was out of the way.mine is above and to the right of the diff.


Hellfire - 25/4/06 at 05:07 PM

Are the brakes bedded in yet? Surely first questions first...

We have no brake bias valve, we never on our previous one either. No problem with rear lock-up's once bedded in.


Jonte - 25/4/06 at 07:33 PM

Gotta say the same. I have no brake bias on my Indy, but I got drums on the rear.
I do have a valve to the back brakes, but itīs fully open and have never been used.


zxrlocost - 25/4/06 at 08:41 PM

drove 70 miles today no change but will rebleed the brakes first as they got softer on the way back

ta for help


OX - 25/4/06 at 09:12 PM

i didnt use a bias valve in my first one but had to on this one when i changed to willwoods on the front.

chris,bleeding it should sort it out and you could also check that you back brakes arnt binding a little


zxrlocost - 26/4/06 at 10:17 AM

ok cheers


Hellfire - 26/4/06 at 11:42 AM

quote:
Originally posted by OX
i didnt use a bias valve in my first one but had to on this one when i changed to willwoods on the front.


OX, are you saying that with the Wilwood calipers on your rears locked up first, or was there just too much braking on the front?


OX - 26/4/06 at 04:43 PM

yip with the willwoods on the rears locked up first,if you use willwoods your best off going the twin master cylinder route.
the bias valve works but its just masked the problem,the brakes stop me but theres no feel to them.i have to put a lot of pressure on the pedal.


zetec - 26/4/06 at 09:43 PM

Just a thought as my rear disc set up does not need a bias valve...Is the Sierra M/cyl new or new old stock? If new old stock could be fitted with 20yr old seals.