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DIY prop / sprocket adapter
loony - 23/2/12 at 09:41 PM

Is there anybody who made DIY sprocket / propshaft adapter...
Or rather you just buy readymade ?

I'm looking for 2003 ZX9R adapter, but in Poland they are "not available". So my first thought - let's made one, but... now I'm little lost.


twybrow - 23/2/12 at 11:05 PM

HI Loony

I think most people buy them, as you would need access to a lathe (and mill for the splines?) and a heat treatment facility, as all the ones I have seen have been hardened....

I'm sure the Locostbuilders population can figure a way of getting one to Poland on the cheap...!?


matt_gsxr - 23/2/12 at 11:27 PM

I assume you have tried these guys?

http://www.sprocket-adaptors.co.uk/


loony - 24/2/12 at 07:30 AM

Yes - I know them.

I send some inquiries to Polish machine shops if they can make me one, but... I'm still waiting for response

If I can't find one who make me adaptor or it parts - I will buy one from "sprocket-adaptors", MK or MNR... but in Poland should be much cheaper (it's not a rule - some things are more expensive here than in UK)
There are "some" polish employees in UK, so it shouldn't be problem to bring adaptor to Poland.

Is there any reason I couldn't weld flange to bike sprocket ? Anyone tried this ?
People weld diffs, so why not flange to sprocket
My friend told me that he can laser cut/CNC some kind of adaptor, but can I weld it to sprocket...

[Edited on 24/2/12 by loony]


mark chandler - 24/2/12 at 08:19 AM

I made mine

Took the bike sprocket and cut the middle out on a lathe (very hard metal) and put on a taper, male end.

Grabbed a scrap diff and removed the pinion prop flange, cut the end off and machined a taper so it dropped on the splined lump nicely, female end.

Welded it up, job done.


loony - 24/2/12 at 09:08 AM

That's very good news

Any chance for pictures ? But I think I know how you did it

I'll be changing sprocket in my bike - so the old one will go to welding tests


[Edited on 24/2/12 by loony]


mark chandler - 24/2/12 at 09:18 AM

Sorry, no pics I had a look

The centre of the sprocket is untouched, the teeth are very hard so I chopped off with an angle grinder before lathing down.

A taper just makes it centre nicely.

Regards Mark


loony - 24/2/12 at 11:05 AM

Thanks Mark, everything is clear now.

I found someone else who made sprocket adapter himself.

tks's sprocket adaptor:
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He's from Spain - so I suspect he had same problem as I

"Doors open" - let's get to work


loggyboy - 24/2/12 at 11:08 AM

quote:
Originally posted by loony
There are "some" polish employees in UK,



lol lol


mark chandler - 25/2/12 at 01:38 PM

I would not make one that long, it will waggle about !

It needs to be just long enough to clear the nut on the prop when you do it up, mine is a maximum of 1/2" further forward from where the sprocket teeth lived.

You could just cut the flange off an old diff and weld on to the teeth of the original sprocket, I used a taper as it made lining up easy, it will spin at up to 6000rpm when flat out so make sure it is accurate

Regards Mark


loony - 25/2/12 at 02:28 PM

I know it's too long. But tks's engine was V2 so it was complicated.
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Today I looked at my engine, and I need something like 20-30mm spacer - because of cooling tube near the sprocket (something like "sprocket-adaptors" adapter design).
So I will made flange on lathe, and then weld original sprocket to it. I will make taper like you or just use sprocket's edge to fit it centered.


loony - 25/2/12 at 02:40 PM

Or maybe I shouldn't worry about it:
Prop adaptor fitted
Prop adaptor fitted




It's 40inches's prop adapter - it's tight, but it fit. Unless it isn't Ford flange...

[Edited on 25/2/12 by loony]


Rogthebandit - 27/2/12 at 08:42 PM

quote:
Originally posted by matt_gsxr
I assume you have tried these guys?

http://www.sprocket-adaptors.co.uk/




--------------------

Ya I 2nd this as these guys sent me an adaptor with no problems and it's top quality. Highly recommended

Cheers
Rog


loony - 12/3/12 at 11:30 AM

Last progress...

From this:
ZX9R sprocket before
ZX9R sprocket before


To this:
ZX9R sprocket after
ZX9R sprocket after


Now I need flange/adaptor to fit my sprocket...

[Edited on 12/3/12 by loony]


40inches - 12/3/12 at 01:25 PM

quote:
Originally posted by loony
Or maybe I shouldn't worry about it:
Prop adaptor fitted
Prop adaptor fitted




It's 40inches's prop adapter - it's tight, but it fit. Unless it isn't Ford flange...

[Edited on 25/2/12 by loony]


I got mine from Mach1. It is the bike sprocket with the teeth machined down to the centre of the holes in the flange,
the adapter part is machined to fit over the sprocket and the holes when drilled make sure the adaptor can't slip.
Hope this makes sense.
Quick drawing to hopefully make things clearer
Sprocket adaptor2
Sprocket adaptor2


[Edited on 12-3-12 by 40inches]

[Edited on 12-3-12 by 40inches]


loony - 17/1/13 at 04:21 PM

Update...
Here's final result: SAE1140 DIY sprocket adaptor

Ready
Ready


TIG welded
TIG welded





Total (lo)cost: 22GBP


clairetoo - 17/1/13 at 04:46 PM

Not quite the same thing - but back when I was building/racing drag bikes , I used to make my own offset sprockets - anything up to 4" !
I heated up the sprockets to red heat , left to air cool , then machine/weld as needed - I then just popped them to a local heat treaters for re-hardening .


chrism - 19/1/13 at 04:09 PM

quote:
Originally posted by loony
I know it's too long. But tks's engine was V2 so it was complicated.
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Today I looked at my engine, and I need something like 20-30mm spacer - because of cooling tube near the sprocket (something like "sprocket-adaptors" adapter design).
So I will made flange on lathe, and then weld original sprocket to it. I will make taper like you or just use sprocket's edge to fit it centered.


Ive seem ones like this done years ago when bike engines were just starting to be used, and they failed very quickly, usually taking out something on the engine. Any slight misalignment on the sprocket end would be exagerated greatly on the prop end.

I would definately not recommend using an adaptor like that.


ian.stewart - 1/4/14 at 09:46 PM

quote:
Originally posted by clairetoo
Not quite the same thing - but back when I was building/racing drag bikes , I used to make my own offset sprockets - anything up to 4" !
I heated up the sprockets to red heat , left to air cool , then machine/weld as needed - I then just popped them to a local heat treaters for re-hardening .


Claire, don't suppose you have any pictures of the extended sprockets, I think I will have to make an extension sprocket, Im guessing I will need to hang a support bearing somewhere off the clutch cover.


clairetoo - 1/4/14 at 10:20 PM

Sadly no photos to hand - this was back in the days before digital cameras and the internet.......
Everything was made by hand - and drawings where no more than pencil sketches on scraps of paper.......
I've dug out a few pictures showing the sort of bearing supports I used to make - I'll scan them and pop a couple up tomorrow (bit late now.....off to bed ! )