Anyone know which sausage filter I need for a dynojeted '97 blade?

Cheers,

Pat...

Yep - an ITG JC40. U2U me for more info...

I've heard of multi fuel engines but sausages is a new one.
Clever these Japanese!

quote:

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Originally posted by Confused but excited.
I've heard of multi fuel engines but sausages is a new one.
Clever these Japanese!

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lmao!

Would the JC40 be suitable for a ZX12R as well?

Cheers,

Pat...

Yep. JC40S50 IIRC

pats thinking of an upgrade already!

Is it the same for a zx9? and how do they mount onto the carbs?!

The JC40 is the very same filter we used on our ZX12, sir!

It's the same for the ZX9. A blank baseplate is sold seperately for fitment. You can drill it for mounting to the throttle bodies and cut out the holes for the intake trumpets.

You want them, you know who to ask...

*ahem*

To see how it fits, have a look here 19th April 2005

[Edited on 2-3-06 by Hellfire]

Tad - if I get a few folk interested, are we looking at a minor Locost/Group Buy discount?

Cheers,

Pat...

id be interested

All Locostbuilders members already receive a discount (up to 15% where possible), but I should be able to sort something out provided I get enough orders.

Cool.

I don't mind collecting all the money (again) and giving you one large order if that's ok with everyone - should be easier this way.

Steve - what's the maximum price a filter and blank base plate would be before any discount?

I'll definately have one, probably Carl as well, and Joel and Gav - that's 4 generated already just because of my post ;-)

Cheers,

Pat...

I need a minimum of 5 orders to provide the 15% maximum discount off the normal RRP prices. I've just U2U'd Gav with some prices - perhaps he can post the RRP's on here as I don't think I'm allowed to...

Avoneer/Tad - count me in for one:
(can't stand those unfiltered sausages)
Bob C
PS - '98 carbed R1 - I hope I'm asking about the right filter.....

[Edited on 2/3/06 by Bob C]

me too, a definate

whos supplying them?! lol

Just for info the JC40 filter is ideal for BEC's and will cover virtually all bike engines (except V's), from 'Blade/R1 to ZX12/Busa.

The only real difference is the height of the filter. You need to ensure that there is at least a 25mm gap from the trumpet opening to the inside of the filter foam, otherwise it won't work efficiently.

The JC40 can be had in 25, 40, 65, and 100mm heights (all the same price). What you need to do is measure from the mounting point of the base plate (i.e. the throttle body/carb opening where the trumpet fits in) to the trumpet opening, then add 25mm to this to ensure you have enough of a gap.

E.G.

Throttle body opening to trumpet opening = 30mm. +25mm = 55mm.

So you need to order a JC40/65 giving a 35mm clearance to the trumpet opening.

A JC40/40 would only give 15mm.

Pay attention at the back!

I would be in price depending..

Is this for filter and baseplate?

Right - I guess I'll take control and try and sort this.

Without making any profit, but trying to simplify the order, prices as follows:

Normal filter with blank baseplate - £77 delivered.

Sausage filter with blank baseplate - £92 delivered.

If everyone who's interested can post which filter they want on here, I'll do the rest.

How does that sound?

Pat...

I'll start the ball rolling.

My base to trumpet lip is 30mm on my '97 blade.

So I'll need a 65mm thick filter.

That's a JC40/65 sausage filter and blank plate.

£92.00.

Thanks.

Pat...

Pat - good you're online - what's the difference between a normal and a sausage filter? (apart from £!5)??
Bob

ill second that pat

Both same footprint.

Sausage has rounded profiled corners where the normal filter has "vertical" sides and right angle corners around the top.

Gav - you having the same as me?

Pat...

quote:

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Originally posted by Avoneer
Would the JC40 be suitable for a ZX12R as well?

Cheers,

Pat...

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i'll have one
let me know
cheers paul

quote:

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Originally posted by Avoneer
Gav - you having the same as me?

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but ill check tonight to make sure

What height would I need for an injected R1 (2003). I'm nowhere near my engine so if someone can check theirs and let me know then I will likely be in.

Carl - what height filter do you need - or are you in tonight and I'll pop over.

Chill - what size do you want.

Speed8 - Don't know, sorry.

Gav - should be the same - will take a pic tonight and post on here.

Pat...

Email sent but I will be in tonight you can take that gear linkage and alloy sheets.

Carl

Il take a sausage please. Ill measure tonight and see what hieght i need.

Righty ho - I'll take a normal filter then please. I think I need a JC40/25 as I've machined the carb inputs into V short trumpets like Richard Miles did. Avoneer - can u u2u me payment details etc.
cheers

Bob

my trumpets stick out 15mm, so i need a 40mm sausage. Likewise pat, send me your address and i'll post a cheque

Speed8, Im not sure exactly but my old ITG filter is approximately 70mm high in total and the R1 trumpets fit under easily. I'll have a look at the weekend and get some proper dimensions if I remember

Hi Gav,

Here's my engine:

Pat...

Why do i now think that, that ST cradle is quite ugly...

hi
jc40/ 65
cheers

let me know when you want some money !

quote:

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Originally posted by ChrisGamlin
Speed8, Im not sure exactly but my old ITG filter is approximately 70mm high in total and the R1 trumpets fit under easily. I'll have a look at the weekend and get some proper dimensions if I remember

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quote:

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Originally posted by ch1ll1
hi
jc40/ 65
cheers

let me know when you want some money !

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'sausage' sorry

quote:

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Originally posted by ch1ll1
'sausage' sorry

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How do people want to pay?

Cheque, bank transfer or paypal?

Pat...

paypal is fine for me

paypal is fine by me !
or you tell me !

got a big jar full of pennies

Paypal is fine as long as you don't mind the 3.4% + 20p.

That'd make it £95.33 for a sausage filter and base plate.

Pat...

sod it, i'll do paypal too. Is it your linked email address pat?

Are we paying via Pat or straight to Steve? Do we need to add P&P? (I assume the £77 includes VAT - ?)I should be able to do Paypal or cheque - whatever suits best.
cheers
Bob
PS OK looked back - £77 delivered - sounds good to me!

[Edited on 3/3/06 by Bob C]

Trying to make it easy for Steve by collecting all the money and paying him in one go.

Price includes delivery to your door and vat.

Paypal address is diferent Joel - U2U me for it please.

Please note the slightly amended prices if paying by paypal.

I'll confirm a list on here who's having what in the next few days.

Hope that's ok with everyone.

Cheers,

Pat...

Right - updated list.

All sausage type filters.

BobC - JC40/25 + blank baseplate £92

JoelP - JC40/70 + blank baseplate £92

Avoneer - JC40/65 + blank baseplate £92

CarlGeldard - JC40/40 only £70

Ch1ll1 - JC40/65 + blank baseplate £92

Danozeman - To confirm

Speed8 - To confirm

Is this ok with everyone?

If paying by paypal - £95.33

Pat...

No mate - I wanted a normal one (extra £15 notes for "sausaginess" seemed unnecessary)
cheers
Bob

Sorry Bob, list amended:

BobC - JC40/25 + blank baseplate £77

JoelP - JC40/70 (sausage) + blank baseplate £92

Avoneer - JC40/65 (sausage) + blank baseplate £92

CarlGeldard - JC40/40 (sausage) only £70

Ch1ll1 - JC40/65 (sausage) + blank baseplate £92

Danozeman - To confirm

Speed8 - To confirm

Is this ok with everyone?

If paying by paypal - £95.33 (or £79.82 for a normal filter).

Pat...

payment sent, but didnt i need a 40mm one? That seems to say 70, but i tcould just be the juuice...

Cheers Joel - payment received.

Yep, should be 40 - slip of the finger.



BobC - JC40/25 + blank baseplate £77

JoelP - JC40/40 (sausage) + blank baseplate £92 PAID

Avoneer - JC40/65 (sausage) + blank baseplate £92 PAID

CarlGeldard - JC40/40 (sausage) only £70 PAID

Ch1ll1 - JC40/65 (sausage) + blank baseplate £92

Danozeman - To confirm

Speed8 - To confirm

Cheers,

Pat...

[Edited on 5/3/06 by Avoneer]

payment sent
cheers

Update:

BobC - JC40/25 + blank baseplate £77

JoelP - JC40/40 (sausage) + blank baseplate £92 PAID

Avoneer - JC40/65 (sausage) + blank baseplate £92 PAID

CarlGeldard - JC40/40 (sausage) only £70 PAID

Ch1ll1 - JC40/65 (sausage) + blank baseplate £92 PAID

Danozeman - To confirm

Speed8 - To confirm

U2u sent pat. Id like a normal one in 100mm please. Changed my mind from a sausage as i have not rolls to put it in.

BobC - JC40/25 + blank baseplate £77

JoelP - JC40/40 (sausage) + blank baseplate £92 PAID

Avoneer - JC40/65 (sausage) + blank baseplate £92 PAID

CarlGeldard - JC40/40 (sausage) only £70 PAID

Ch1ll1 - JC40/65 (sausage) + blank baseplate £92 PAID

Danozeman - JC40/100 + blank baseplate £77 CHEQUE IN THE POST

Speed8 - To confirm

BobC - JC40/25 + blank baseplate £77 PAID

JoelP - JC40/40 (sausage) + blank baseplate £92 PAID

Avoneer - JC40/65 (sausage) + blank baseplate £92 PAID

CarlGeldard - JC40/40 (sausage) only £70 PAID

Ch1ll1 - JC40/65 (sausage) + blank baseplate £92 PAID

Danozeman - JC40/100 + blank baseplate £77 CHEQUE IN THE POST

Nearly all done now and ready to place the order.

Pat...

As promised, here's the ITG backplate as fitted to my 2003 R1:



ITG Backplate on 2003 R1 - 1



ITG Backplate on 2003 R1 - 2

As you can see the intake rubbers only stick out above the plate by about 10mm so you wouldnt need a particularly high filter if you haven't got room. For info, the holes needed in the backplate to secure the rubbers are precisely 50mm if I remember correctly, so nice and easy to cut with a suitably sized hole punch once you've measured out the spacing.

cheers

Chris

Cheers Chris.

Speed8 - if you're interested, I think you need a JC40/40 filter.

Cheers,

Pat...

Sending U2U

BobC - JC40/25 + blank baseplate £77 PAID

JoelP - JC40/40 (sausage) + blank baseplate £92 PAID

Avoneer - JC40/65 (sausage) + blank baseplate £92 PAID

CarlGeldard - JC40/40 (sausage) only £70 PAID

Ch1ll1 - JC40/65 (sausage) + blank baseplate £92PAID

Danozeman - JC40/65 (amended) + blank baseplate £77 CHEQUE IN THE POST

Speed8 - JC40/40 + bank baseplate £77 PAYPAL IN A FEW DAYS

As soon as I received the cheque and paypal from Speed8, I'll get them ordered.

If you haven't done already, please can you all U2U me your full delivery addresses.

Pat...

Wasn't Gav having one...?

Yep, but'd he's decided to go Mega Squirt instead.

Pat...

Just waiting for the payment from Speed8 (should be bext day or two) and then I'll place the order.

Danozeman - cheque now received.

Cheers,

Pat...

I have a pinto with GSXR 600 carbs fitted. I have read all of the post and nothing is mention reading cec with bike Carbs. Will this sausage filter suit this application.

Hi - I'd like to join in with this bulk-buy if you haven't ordered already? I can pay instantly with Paypal today.... Let me know

The JC40 will fit if you haven't adjusted the spacing on the carbs. If you have, then you may need the JC50. E-mail me and I'll send a fact sheet with dimensional information to check.

Ferino - Cryoman.

Order not placed so if you're quick, no problems.

Do you know which size and filter you want?

Pat...

[Edited on 9/3/06 by Avoneer]

and hurry up, you stragglers

quote:

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Do you know which size and filter you want?

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Need to check the dimensions as i have increased the spacing between each carb. Tadltd is to email tech details

BobC - JC40/25 + blank baseplate £77 PAID

JoelP - JC40/40 (sausage) + blank baseplate £92 PAID

Avoneer - JC40/65 (sausage) + blank baseplate £92 PAID

CarlGeldard - JC40/40 (sausage) only £70 PAID

Ch1ll1 - JC40/65 (sausage) + blank baseplate £92 PAID

Danozeman - JC40/65 (amended) + blank baseplate £77 PAID

Speed8 - JC40/40 + bank baseplate £77 AWAITING PAYPAL PAYMENT

Ferrino - JC40/25 (sausage) + bank baseplate £92 AWAITING PAYPAL PAYMENT

Cryoman1965 - TO BE CONFIRMED

Pat...

The file i recieved from Tadltd won't open. As i appear to be holding things up i may at a later date order one. Avoneer please remove from your list .
Thanks

[Edited on 9/3/06 by cryoman1965]

Paypal'd you just now......

BobC - JC40/25 + blank baseplate £77 PAID

JoelP - JC40/40 (sausage) + blank baseplate £92 PAID

Avoneer - JC40/65 (sausage) + blank baseplate £92 PAID

CarlGeldard - JC40/40 (sausage) only £70 PAID

Ch1ll1 - JC40/65 (sausage) + blank baseplate £92 PAID

Danozeman - JC40/65 (amended) + blank baseplate £77 PAID

Speed8 - JC40/40 + bank baseplate £77 AWAITING PAYPAL PAYMENT

Ferrino - JC40/25 (sausage) + bank baseplate £92 PAID

Just waiting for Speed8 who is back at the weekend and will be paying then.

Pat...

Paypal done. Any probs, I'll be in the office over the next few days and can sort it out.

Cheers
Andy

Superb - get 'em ordered quick before anyone else decides they want one!!! ;^)
Bob

BobC - JC40/25 + blank baseplate £77

JoelP - JC40/40 (sausage) + blank baseplate £92

Avoneer - JC40/65 (sausage) + blank baseplate £92

CarlGeldard - JC40/40 (sausage) only £70

Ch1ll1 - JC40/65 (sausage) + blank baseplate £92

Danozeman - JC40/65 + blank baseplate £77

Speed8 - JC40/40 + bank baseplate £77

Ferrino - JC40/25 (sausage) + bank baseplate £92

Right, eveyone paid and I'll sort it from here.

Will update you all when I have contacted Steve.

Cheers.

Pat...

cheers pat!

Cheers dude. Id better get my engine in and wired up ready to recieve it.

Excellent! - I got my engine cranking WITH SPARKS today so I just need a bit of petrol pipe & I should be alive (fingers crossed - maybe Monday??).
I got the slightly taller GTS bodywork & it looks as though it will all fit under the hood quite easily (including the filter)
Result!
Cheers
Bob

Order and money sent to TAD Ltd.

May take a few days for the bank to shuffle digits around though.

Will update you all when I know more.

Cheers,

Pat...

Cheers Pat

Update email from Steve:


Dear Customer, Many thanks for your recent order, but we must inform you that there has been a delay in the shipment from ITG. They have received unprecedented order levels and have a large backlog of filter orders that they are currently trying to clear. Estimated time for delivery to us is the 24th or 27th March.   We appreciate that some of you placed your orders back in February and can only apologise for this situation, which is beyond our control. We normally try to keep decent stock levels to avoid such scenarios.   We thank you for your patience in the meantime and will keep you informed of progress. Best Regards,


Sorry if that inconvieniences any of you and appologies for any delays.

Also for info - all filters will be going directly to yourselves and not to me to distribute.

Pat...

I was just about to ask what sort of time scale delivery was.

never mind

I was wondering this morning when theyd arrive. Not that i need it for a while yet.

No rush theyl get here when they get here.

Had another email from Steve.

He's gonna be sending out all the backplates so at least we can all be ready.

Reason ITG are struggling is that Cosworth have bought lots of filters for their F1 engines and they are struggling to keep up.

At least we're 2nd in the queue to someone important.

Sorry guys - what more can I do

Pat...

No worries Pat - cheers

quote:

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Sorry guys - what more can I do

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Latest update:

Back plates have been posted out and Danozeman's filter was the first to come into stock so its also on its way.

The rest following hopefully on friday.

Sorry for the delay,

Pat...

quote:

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Originally posted by Avoneer
Sorry for the delay,

Pat...

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Excellent news. Id better get my engine in.

Cheers Pat.

i carnt wait to tell the wife

got my back plate today
time for so chopping
lets hope it goes well

i read that, and wondered if mine had arrived. But then i thought, it wont fit in the post box, i better check for a missed parcel card. Instead, i found this Do you think a fragile sticker would've helped?
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SORRY TO HEAR AND SEE THAT !
got a good posty here,
parcels every day.
4just walks into the garage and throws them at me,
is it no good at all?
may straighten out

Shit Joel. I guess you don't have the same postie as me. Mine actually came out to my garage to say he'd just popped some car bits in my postbox. Considering my garage is not next to my flat I'd say he done well.

I haven't opened it though, too busy playing with my other goodies. Will check tomorrow though.

I'll get you a new one. No charge. Can you send that one back to me please:

4 Bankview Cres.
Darvel, Ayrshire KA17 0LB.

Ta.

Fekking Post Office

BTW - it takes some force to do that to the package - the postie must've been really trying... I'd have a word if i were you. I think he'd have done that even with a fragile sticker on it.

[Edited on 30/3/06 by tadltd]

That sounds like a challenge to me. Our postman is one of those.

i was thinking as i tried to straighten it out that it must've been a proper dumbass who bent it, its well solid! Cheers for the offer steve, i'll get it wrapped up and sent back asap. Cheers!

Joel

I hope you've not sent it yet. Let me talk to Steve I might have a use for it and I will collect from you. I bet I'm to late.

Carl

Tadltd

U2U Sent

Carl

not sent it back yet

Filter and back plate recieved yesterday thanks mate.

Should look good under me bonnet.


Many thanks to all involved.

Quick question.

What would one use to cut the holes for the rubber whatchamacallits to sit in. I don't have a 50mm drill bit to do it with???

Hole saw or chain drill & file...

and keep your fingers crossed

im getting the wife to do it !
so when she make a cok up i can blame her !

just got a new chain saw blade if it will help!

Hole saws will work a treat. i cut thicker alli than that with one. Made hell of a noise but went trough.

So who's left to receive one and who's got what so far?

Got to keep my eye on those dodgy Scottish folk

Cheers everyone,

Pat...

I got the back plate
just need filter
it will look nice fitted(hint hint)

Got the backplate.
Waiting on a filter.

ditto

ditto ditto
Bob

any update on the filters yet? (not moaning )
only got about a days work left and she ready to thrash around !

cheers paul

All the remaining filters came in this morning. I just need to get them packaged and distributed to everyone. Should be with you all tomorrow.

got my filter this morning !

THANKS to everybody who sorted out the deal.
well pleased
cheers

[Edited on 6/4/06 by ch1ll1]

Am I right in thinking I need a minimum of a JC40/25 for a carbed R1?

Thanks
Rich

Received mine this morning - thanks!

quote:

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Originally posted by RichieC
Am I right in thinking I need a minimum of a JC40/25 for a carbed R1?

Thanks
Rich

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I've just got my filter tonight thats another sexy piece of kit to add to my collection.

Carl

[Edited on 8/4/06 by carlgeldard]

I'm supposing my filter came today - then back to the royal mail depot.....
RichiC I've gone for JC40/25 - I'll post a pic tomorrow if you want, I've cut the holes in it already, just waiting to whack the foam on
ATB
Bob C
PS crankcase breather pipe - are we feeding that into the air filter???

Crankcase breather - vent that to atmosphere (through a sperate filter) or better still, into a catch tank - I hear coke cans are good catch tanks... I'm sure someone will come up with a better 'locost' idea in a minute...

Aha - why not (crank breather into filter) - do the foam filters not like the oil?
How are the catch tanks arranged,- do you "bubble" the crankcase fumes through what oil's in there or is it just an open space where you hope it will condense out?
Bob C
PS on my last car it was just a pipe pointing at the road...

You really only want fuel and air in your combustion chamber, not a cocktail that includes a manky oil/water combination! The catch tank is usually just a small alloy tank, with a drain on the bottom and two spigots, one for the oil/water from the crankcase to go in, the other to vent to atmosphere. There can be a 'fill level' sight tube to let you know when it needs drained.

It's just to collect the mixture instead of it going onto the road. The fumes are usually filtered to atmosphere from this.

I can make one for you or we can do Mocal ones starting from £69.00 + VAT for a 1 litre one.

JOELP!!

Your filter was returned to me! I'll send it on again - please be home!!

[Edited on 7/4/06 by tadltd]

hi steve! i seem to be the troublesome customer here! I sent the plate back today, should arrive in the morning. How come they didnt leave a missed parcel ticket when they tried?! Im never in during the day Cheers!

the crank vent on the zx9 doesnt produce any output apparently (says my friend whos hammered one for a while) his vents to atmosphere and there is no sign of any mess anywhere.

[Edited on 7/4/06 by JoelP]

My filter HAS arrived in good shape & ta for the input about catch tanks!
ATB
Bob
PS I'll brew something "locost" I think......

Got my filter. I'm gaining a bunch of stickers for my 'ricer' locost.

Back to filters - Rich here are a couple of snaps of mine in situ
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/photos.php?action=showphoto&photo=filtback.jpg
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/photos.php?action=showphoto&photo=airfilton.jpg
It will actually be about 1/2inch high for my bonnet so a small scoop will have to be made; I'm not sure whether or not to try & regain that 1/2inch by moving the filter down as far as possible (ie now I've done the job I don't want to do it again - would mean cutting out a new backplate & the sucking bits wouldn't be in the iddle any more - ahhhh decisions........
Bob

my bonnet is currently bent around the filter i borrowed, still shuts over them but i'll need to sort a vent out to make it perminant.

the bastard got me up at 7am! But its arrived, cheers to all involved it looks well nice!

Hey all,

Just curious about the people that fitted this filter to a carbed R1? Did they retain the rubber trumpets?

I really want to keep the trumpets and was curious as to how this was possible?

I was thinking seperate air filter cocks might be an easier fitment?

Thanks for any advice.

Chris.

Obviously I meant socks!!

Not entirely sure that I could fit all the Big Brother contestants under my bonnet...

Chris.

Chris have you got your old air box if you turn it around and cut it down it will just fit under the MNR bonnet. You have to turn the trumpets round as well. I have had a go and it looks ok. Some say that it is a better to keep the air box than use the foam filters. There will be less induction noise for SVA noise test and it costs nothing. Bryan

I agree Bryan, hence the U2U for pictures!

I was just fairly unsure of whether the standard airbox would fit under the VortX bonnet.

Anyone else used air socks on their R1?

Or used the trumpets on one of these sausage filters?

Thanks,

Chris.

This is still under development as the bonnet is flexible it does just touch the top but as the top is flat I don’t think this will cause a problem.
I have not tried it yet.
I will try it with some foam strips on top to see if it stops the bonnet vibrate.
Or I could cut a bit more off. Either way I don’t think I have lost anything by having a go. Maybe someone has some thoughts that could help. I think I have seen pictures of one done before but cant remember where.
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Has anyone thought of raising the nosecone bonnet and scuttle by fitting a rubber strip along the top of the side panels or would this not work.
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