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early Mondeo V6 ?
Not Anumber - 13/8/13 at 01:27 PM

A pal may be breaking his low mileage V6 2.5litre mark 1 Mondeo and Im wondering how feasible it would be to use it's engine in a 7 .

I dont know a lot about the V6s in these, am i right in thinking this is the mazda derived Duratec v6 that will mate up with the MX5 gearbox ?

Is there anything I ought to be aware of before taking this route.

MikeRJ - 13/8/13 at 03:36 PM

I don't think the Mazda box will easily mate up with the Duratec V6. The 2.5 V6 used in e.g. the Ford Probe (KL-ZE) is the one to go for, it's a well proven conversion.

Not Anumber - 13/8/13 at 04:54 PM

werent the Mondeo Mk1 V6 and Probe engines basically the same though ?

clairetoo - 13/8/13 at 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by Not Anumber
werent the Mondeo Mk1 V6 and Probe engines basically the same though ?

In a word - no .
The Mondeo used the Ford Duratech V6 - a lot bigger and heavier than the KL V6 used in the Probe , which whilst being a Ford / Mazda joint project , is very much a Mazda engine .

Ben_Copeland - 13/8/13 at 09:18 PM

Theres a house couple miles away with about 6 Ford Probes in the front garden

stevebubs - 13/8/13 at 10:11 PM

I think a manual Jaguar S-Type box should fit...

Not Anumber - 13/8/13 at 10:15 PM

That sounds more hopeful.

big_wasa - 14/8/13 at 05:43 AM

Yeh but you need the sump aswell

MikeRJ - 14/8/13 at 09:51 AM

quote:
Originally posted by stevebubs
I think a manual Jaguar S-Type box should fit...


I have seen this documented with pictures somewhere on the web, but it wasn't quite the simple bolt on job you might hope as the Jaguar engine had many small differences. Given the relatively low price of the Jag V6 engines these days, and the fact they make a healthy amount of extra power over the Ford Duratec using the entire Jag engine and box would be worthwhile.

coozer - 14/8/13 at 09:55 AM

The early V6 is a ford engine that was re-engineered a bit and became the V12 that appeared in the Aston BD*.. (cant remember which one, it was during the ford ownership years)

I remember seeing one at the Aston Martin plant and thinking 'thats two Mondeo V6's joined together'

40inches - 14/8/13 at 10:17 AM

Jag V6 engine and box, cheap as chips Link

Not Anumber - 14/8/13 at 10:36 AM

Thats superb, i'd always assumed they were prohibitively expensive. It has to be the way forward

coozer - 14/8/13 at 10:47 AM

quote:
Originally posted by 40inches
Jag V6 engine and box, cheap as chips Link


Its FWD tho! Only good for a midi.

Not Anumber - 14/8/13 at 11:19 AM

Ah, sorry assumed that link would have been for an S type 3 litre lump and box as that was what had been suggested.

mcerd1 - 14/8/13 at 11:27 AM

quote:
Originally posted by coozer
quote:
Originally posted by 40inches
Jag V6 engine and box, cheap as chips Link


Its FWD tho! Only good for a midi.


is this the right engine & box ?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JAGUAR-S-TYPE-V6-3-0-LITRE-2001-OUT-READY-FOR-COLLECTION-WITH-A-ENGINE-CRANE-/370874945501?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts _SM&hash=item5659de8fdd

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-s-type-2001-3-0-v6-5-speed-manual-gearbox-breaking-/171020979444?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item27 d1a50cf4

if so the still seam quite cheap, looks like a bit of searching should find you a 3.0 V6 with a manual box and most of the bits and bobs to make it go for under £500
(I guess they cost a bit more than some to rebuild though)
or it looks like you can get a whole s-type donor car for £600-800

stevebubs - 14/8/13 at 12:17 PM

quote:
Originally posted by coozer
The early V6 is a ford engine that was re-engineered a bit and became the V12 that appeared in the Aston BD*.. (cant remember which one, it was during the ford ownership years)

I remember seeing one at the Aston Martin plant and thinking 'thats two Mondeo V6's joined together'

Would probably be the DB7, I think...

40inches - 14/8/13 at 12:31 PM

quote:
Originally posted by coozer
quote:
Originally posted by 40inches
Jag V6 engine and box, cheap as chips Link


Its FWD tho! Only good for a midi.


Would the engine fit a RWD Jag box, or Ford RWD box? If so still cheap and 200bhp

big_wasa - 15/8/13 at 07:05 PM

By the time you have the bits from the jag you need you may as well just get the jag. Full and tatty s type can be had for £500.

major - 20/8/13 at 04:41 PM

Did some work on the duratec v6 from the mondeo and connected to the Jag S type getrag 221 5 spd.
Eventually I abandoned the project and went for the duratec 2.3 cosworth.





Not Anumber - 20/8/13 at 05:43 PM

what made you change your mind against the Mondeo 2.5 ?

Is the Duratec 2.3 Cosworth based on the same 4 cylinder block as the Duratec 1.8 and 2.0 ?

major - 21/8/13 at 12:48 AM

I just stumbled upon a new 2.3L which was complete, the 2.5L was to much work i suppose.
I wanted double side pipes, once i abandoned that idea, the choice was easy.
And yes i believe it is the same 4 cylinder block as the 1.8 or 2.0.

the inlet manifold (upper and lower) of a st200 can be used to upgrade the power a bit and
I used megasquirt as a management system (using the standard ford coil). Never got got it
working though.

In order to mate the mondeo v6 with the 221 you also need the sump + oil pickup from the s type.
the s type sump needs to be adjusted, otherwise it will not fit an indys frame.

The bulb on the front needs to be a bit shorter.