Re: 10% rule thread
Snetterton, You're lying second in the race. Half a second down, one and a half laps to go. The leader has just slipped passed a novice
backmarker out of corum (the novice obligingly moved over but then finds himself approaching Russells so pulls on line) you are on him under braking
for Russells, you have two choices. What do you do.
You never actually have time to think about it in a real life situation, it's up to the backmarker to get out of your way, we all have to learn
sometime & sometimes the lessons can be hard ones & expensive
I put the vote in the empty slot cos i'll never have to make that decision 
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Originally posted by russbost
You never actually have time to think about it in a real life situation, it's up to the backmarker to get out of your way, we all have to learn sometime & sometimes the lessons can be hard ones & expensive
If you are a true racer, second is as good as last, so you always go for it. Just hope the novice notices you. If you are playing for point, make a
feint up the inside and hope you scare the novice off the track, but make sure you can get out of it if needs be.
[Edited on 15/1/08 by phoenix70]
You go for the pass, it's racing not the public road... 
You go for it, or you may as well go home,
Steve.
pick him up in the corner and spin him out of the way, if you do it proerly he won't hold you up.
2nd is the first looser.
pointless poll as it depends on a number of factors that can only be made at the time of the situation.
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Originally posted by Richd
Re: 10% rule thread
Snetterton, You're lying second in the race. Half a second down, one and a half laps to go. The leader has just slipped passed a novice backmarker out of corum (the novice obligingly moved over but then finds himself approaching Russells so pulls on line) you are on him under braking for Russells, you have two choices. What do you do.
What did you do when you were a novice?
Why is the title Ungentlemanly behaviour?
I just wondered as i have been a teriffied novice and made mistakes and i have also been amongst the top guys and made mistakes. As has been posted
many times we all have to start somewhere. Welcome to motorsport.
I do sympathise as we did lose a championship by being spun by a back marker 
It realy hurt as we "don't do second place" but we
are still racing and winning 
You rely on the back-marker getting out of the way but equally recognise they're a novice so may not do that (that's why they have a sign on
the back of the car after all).....
So if you do a manoever which most novices would cope with it all goes pete tong then it's unlucky. If you drive them off the road just because
you haven't been able to get close enough to the car in front during the race and you're frustrated then that's unfair. You might be
prepared to sacrifice your car, but t-boning a novice backmarker and wrecking their car with a rather dubious last minute overtake sucks a
bit......
Of course the answer is to make sure you're in first place by the last lap 
Mirror, signal, manouvre!!
On a more serious note - If the back marker has the line then he has the line. As people have pointed out, the decision will be made as and when. If
you want to try the outside then fine but bear in mind that if he's seen you and feels under pressure, he may turn in early and exit wide. Drop
in behind and he may stay perfectly on the line.
You pays your money and takes your choice!
[Edited on 15/1/08 by Richard Quinn]
It isn't the novices job to get out of the way!
As the faster driver you are expected to find a safe way to pass! The blue flags are there to warn the backmarker of your presence.
If they are that slow you arelapping them in a 8-10 lap race, it is going to be pretty easy to outbrake them up the inside.
Could always go straight over the grass 
How much money have you got ?
Can you afford to wreck your car with a risky overtake manouver?
Do you want the responsibilty to wrecking someone elses car?
Would depend on the exact positioning. You don't get championship points if you don't finish
so would be a trade off for me .
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Originally posted by TGR-ECOSSE
What did you do when you were a novice?
Why is the title Ungentlemanly behaviour?
Hi Quote "Could always go straight over the grass " For gods sake don't do that there. Anyone who saw me end up in a situation in the
last all-comers race at snett will know why.
Ps it was not an involvement with a back marker but of my own doing. However i do believe that i should have been in possession of a pilots
licence to achieve that sort of height
Don't think you would know the answer untill you where there in the situation. But to be fair every time i have come up against a back marker
there they have held a tighter inside line on the aproach and indicated to go outside on line.
Cheers Matt
I can't match your height record Matt but i reckon i might hold the one for distance. In my 2nd ever race i got onto a damp patch on the outside
of Coram and had to choose whether to go off facing forwards or backwards. I chose forwards and travelled cross-country from just before it kind of
tightens on the approach to Russell all the way to the start line!
Many of the farmers in Norfolk would have been proud of the long, straight furrows i left - and they were still visible the next year, too!
Hi Rob. Well for what it's worth i certinally am not going to try and beat any more records there.
I know i was bl##dy lucky to come away without damage to the car and me except to my shoulder. Coram wet grass and 100 mph dont mix well.
But i think if a clear rule was in place regarding whether to hold line or move over was in place it would help all. But the chances of the MSA
sorting that are very slim.
Cheers Matt
The biggest problem with regulating for these situations is that once you take away the discressionary powers of the governing bodies you lose all
latitude for exceptional circumstances and the human element.
Having clear advice is good. Having set rules covering overtaking will be difficult to administer when every overtaking point is different, every
class of car is arriving at corners at different speeds, and every bend is a different profile.
I have a little experience of "over-legislating" in my day job
second place is the first of the losers!!!!
you have to try to assess the situation and make your pass as you see fit. I can also agree that as a novice at the back of the grid you will be
looking in your mirrors more than looking ahead so as not to make a tit of yourself against your peers. he will move out of the way or even not make
you go off line too much as to make a half decent move.
cheers
Paul