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IVA/SVA, road tax fraud, insurance fraud
thunderace - 23/8/09 at 09:02 AM

dutton on ebay

Item number: 260466357574

big_wasa - 23/8/09 at 09:10 AM

It was poted up yesterday Link

[Edited on 23/8/09 by big_wasa]

speedyxjs - 23/8/09 at 11:41 AM

I asked him when it was sva'd and i had a reply.

quote:

hi car was built in 72 but i put into a tree and as there were no new dutton chassis still been made i bought a formula 27 chassis and brought the car up to date using all the good bits off dutton, as the dutton was pre lit it did not need sva, thanks frank

prawnabie - 23/8/09 at 11:43 AM

Depends when he put it into the tree i suppose - there was an short (iirc) amnesty on this post SVA.

blakep82 - 23/8/09 at 03:20 PM

its a good point, is it the same car if:

A you buy a kit car, strip everything off the chassis, and replace everything but the chassis?

B bend a chassis, take everything off of it and put it on a new chassis?


a bit like trigger on only fools and horses and having the same broom for 20 years, but its had 10 new handles and 15 new brushes

i don't know, i know WHY its wrong, but i don't know what makes it wrong

Fozzie - 23/8/09 at 03:47 PM

More clarification as to why it is wrong.....

direct.gov clicky linky

Fozzie

myke pocock - 23/8/09 at 04:52 PM

Problem is with rules, they are either there to be broken or in the case of DVLA they are there to be misunderstood or lberally interpreted by a DVLA minion. I know its been mentioned loads of times before but how do I get a Q plate and some others get an age related when the vehicles are virtually identical, certainly from the point of view of donor parts and new chassis. Not complaining, just asking.

blakep82 - 23/8/09 at 04:59 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Fozzie
More clarification as to why it is wrong.....

direct.gov clicky linky

Fozzie


as myke says, the rules are there to be misinterpreted.

ignoring the bit in the link about kit cars and kit conversions, but just looking at REBUILT cars, it says

Vehicles that have been rebuilt using a mix of new or used parts
In order to retain the original registration mark:

cars and car-derived vans must use:
The original unmodified chassis or unaltered bodyshell (i.e. body and chassis as one unit - monocoque); or a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original supported by evidence from the dealer or manufacturer (e.g. receipt).

to me that says an already registered kit car can have its chassis replace and keep its registration. thats just my take on it though...

ok, so the car on ebay was a dutton, and now on a F27 chassis, but the chassis is still basically the same.

supposing the original chassis was bent in the middle, and had only the damaged tubes replaced, how would that stand. where do you draw the line?

[Edited on 23/8/09 by blakep82]

Fozzie - 23/8/09 at 05:24 PM

Hmmm well having had a conversation with the DVLA over something similar a few years ago, nowt to do with kits or 7's .....
The head honcho got back to me, at work and said if the car had a 'fred bloggs 123' chassis, the replacement has to be a 'fred bloggs 123' chassis, with manufacturers evidence..... and NOT a 'fred bloggs 124' or even a 'A. N. Other' chassis......same goes for the monocoque....

I know that every DVLA office in the land interprets differently, but a 'senior' at Head Office is usually happy to verify....

I know this because of the work we do...

Fozzie

blakep82 - 23/8/09 at 05:25 PM

ah, that makes sense then

wonder why its always duttons being sold like this?

andy o - 23/8/09 at 05:26 PM

i really don't see the problem,its not as though hes hiding anything,lets face it if you buy a kit with a v5 you can do want you want and the money you save on sva/iva can be spent on goodies

Fozzie - 23/8/09 at 05:48 PM

quote:
Originally posted by andy o
........lets face it if you buy a kit with a v5 you can do want you want.......


No, you cannot ......every change has to be notified.......if your chassis, for starters, doesn't 'match' ....you are in the doo-doo.
which leads on to your insurance being null and void....

Fozzie

mad-butcher - 25/8/09 at 07:22 AM

you may be able to con the dvla, but if you're involved in an accident the insurance good old insurance assessor isn't as stupid they can smell a ringer a mile away

tony