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Do we have a new IVA inspector on board?
40inches - 27/10/09 at 09:42 PM

reme101? only 3 posts so far, all on the abrasive side and condescending to say the least on the other hand it may just be me misinterpreting his intentions, if so, I apologise
Quotes:
"Its not the tester being an arse, its a legal requirement and a saftey issue."
"Unless you were actually holding the db meter I would recommend that you don’t make defamatory remarks that you cant substantiate in court."
"Who is building the vehicle? I think its you.... So bearing that in mind.... And reading the appropriate section in the manual.... MAKE ONE !!"

[Edited on 27-10-09 by 40inches]

tegwin - 27/10/09 at 09:54 PM

LOL..... sounds about right...

adithorp - 27/10/09 at 09:57 PM

Possibly but, although those comments might be seen as a bit abasive/blunt, he's got a point. Why beat about the bush?

adrian

Daddylonglegs - 27/10/09 at 09:59 PM

Shouldn't have rumbled him so soon, might have got interesting lol!

austin man - 27/10/09 at 10:08 PM

ex forces is my bet
Royal Electrical Mechanical Engineers 101 workshop ??

Confused but excited. - 27/10/09 at 10:23 PM

I'm ex REME (Armourer) and I have never adressed anyone in that tone on here.
Could he be a Royal Artillery wannabe?
I wouldn't normally make a comment like that, but three postings is a bit early for someone to get the matches out.

[Edited on 27/10/09 by Confused but excited.]

Mr G - 27/10/09 at 10:35 PM

Mot Tester Forums

austin man - 27/10/09 at 10:35 PM

My dad was ex REME some 24 years as mechanic Im going by his user Id as a guess as I recall my dad being assigned to different workshop generally numbered. I agree my old chap also would have been a little more corteous with his word usage

StevieB - 27/10/09 at 10:50 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Confused but excited.
I'm ex REME (Armourer) and I have never adressed anyone in that tone on here.
Could he be a Royal Artillery wannabe?
I wouldn't normally make a comment like that, but three postings is a bit early for someone to get the matches out.

[Edited on 27/10/09 by Confused but excited.]


Sadly some of the younger servicemen tend to be a little less disceplined these days (saying that, I'm only 31 but like to think I have a little common decency - generally speaking....)

AdrianH - 27/10/09 at 10:55 PM

Perhaps!

I would personally like to find an IVA tester on here from Chadderton or any centre for that matter.

I have lots of what if questions from time to time, we all do.
They are not the enemy, they keep unsafe vehicles off the road. Give people chance to sort simple faults whilst there and give advice generally when asked.

So we (I) do not like it when our years of work fails the test, but it has to be in our (my) interest to get it sorted. The manual has been revised several times I believe after consultation with car builders with our interests at hart and it must make our cars that little bit safer now than years ago.

Adrian

MOT inspectors are the same aren't they?

[Edited on 27-10-09 by AdrianH]

ReMan - 27/10/09 at 11:01 PM

The last one came and went after making overly black and white statements never to be seen again , without a bit of subjective opinion this would be a dull game

BTW there's also an Insurance company quality Control officer here too............
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=123658

Be aware

westf27 - 27/10/09 at 11:20 PM

maybe if you ask him politely he would be quite happy to provide his background,but there again he may have just got ticked off having been pre judged.Only my opinion of course

speedyxjs - 28/10/09 at 07:09 AM

I think it would be great to have an IVA inspector on here. Think of all the 'gray' area's that could be cleared up.

Agriv8 - 28/10/09 at 07:23 AM

The problem is that each inspector has his 'take' on the 'Rule Book' so what is ok with one will be a big No no for another.

regards

Agriv8

Mr Whippy - 28/10/09 at 07:56 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Agriv8
The problem is that each inspector has his 'take' on the 'Rule Book' so what is ok with one will be a big No no for another.

regards

Agriv8


Tbh that too would be a good reason for an inspector to join us, it would help unify the test structure.

I don’t think most IVA testers would be arrogant and unhelpful, which seems a shame that the poster is being assumed as one just because of the tone of his posts. I’m sure most go into that job because they enjoy cars and more likely they’d prefer to pass cars so long as they meet sensible standards.

reme101 - 28/10/09 at 09:07 AM

quote:
Originally posted by 40inches
reme101? only 3 posts so far, all on the abrasive side and condescending to say the least on the other hand it may just be me misinterpreting his intentions, if so, I apologise
Quotes:
"Its not the tester being an arse, its a legal requirement and a saftey issue."
"Unless you were actually holding the db meter I would recommend that you don’t make defamatory remarks that you cant substantiate in court."
"Who is building the vehicle? I think its you.... So bearing that in mind.... And reading the appropriate section in the manual.... MAKE ONE !!"

[Edited on 27-10-09 by 40inches]


Hi everyone, in answer to some of the replies
No I’m not an IVA examiner
I'm a mechanic
I am ex REME and I used to own a 101" Landrover
Yes I am blunt and to the point, I find it cuts out all the confusion

Some of you might find my next comment a little abrasive too - I have been reading on here for quite a while and I have found that a lot, not all, would rather try to circumvent a requirement than build it correctly and when they fail its the inspectors fault and not their own - who is building the car?? Take responsibility!!

Light blue touch paper, stand well back and enjoy!

speedyxjs - 28/10/09 at 09:21 AM

Did they do a 101" land rover? Not sure iv seen one of them

alistairolsen - 28/10/09 at 09:36 AM

yes, but it doesnt look like somthing youd imagine as a landrover, its an old military vehicle




Reme101 I also see the kinds of things you'r referring to, the biggest one being self centring. That said, Ive been guilty of dodging the regs in the past on emissions or whatever (ie where they arent safety related)

myke pocock - 28/10/09 at 09:37 AM

Quote: "I have been reading on here for quite a while and I have found that a lot, not all, would rather try to circumvent a requirement than build it correctly"

Sorry mate, but I take exception to that one as well. I think you will find that there are A FEW who MAY try to get round things but it all comes out at the test generally. If you make those kinds off comments on a site like this then do not be suprised if you get no help to a question in the future.

Staple balls - 28/10/09 at 09:54 AM

I don't truly think anyone here tries to avoid the important regulations, just pass the not safety related ones in ways which may later fall off.

There's other stuff that's just not so easy to get right if you can't drive the car, so I can understand them getting skipped a little until the IVA is out of the way.


oh, and treat people how you'd like to be treated, it'll get you far more help than the route you appear to be taking.

SeaBass - 28/10/09 at 10:29 AM

adithorp - 28/10/09 at 10:35 AM

quote:
Originally posted by alistairolsen
yes, but it doesnt look like somthing youd imagine as a landrover, its an old military vehicle




Reme101 I also see the kinds of things you'r referring to, the biggest one being self centring. That said, Ive been guilty of dodging the regs in the past on emissions or whatever (ie where they arent safety related)


The trouble is some people have different opinions on what is "safety related".

Collapsable steering wheel regs were brought in because of the number of injuries caused by the old wheels, or the same applies to radiused dash lower edge. How many of us moan about that or change them later?

A little more tact wouldn't go amiss... though but there's plenty of blunt stuff which is worse from other members; "All coppers are bastards!", etc.

mistergrumpy - 28/10/09 at 10:51 AM

Eh? What?! I heard that Mr Thorp

[Edited on 28/10/09 by mistergrumpy]

oldtimer - 28/10/09 at 10:57 AM

I am very happy to have IVA inspectors using this site and contributing in a positive and constructive way. There are grey areas to discuss and this is an ideal forum for it. I think what wears most of us down, and I'm not singling out any one person or group here, is the highly opinionated, subjective commenting that goes on.

reme101 - 28/10/09 at 12:08 PM

quote:
Originally posted by oldtimer
I am very happy to have IVA inspectors using this site and contributing in a positive and constructive way. There are grey areas to discuss and this is an ideal forum for it. I think what wears most of us down, and I'm not singling out any one person or group here, is the highly opinionated, subjective commenting that goes on.


I’m not an IVA inspector.

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When this thread was first started it was incorrectly mentioned that I had only posted 3 times, I had in fact posted 4 times the one you missed was –

quote:
________________________________________
Originally posted by LBMEFM
Oh well this is it my last chance. Re-test Monday AM at Gillingham. First failure untidy wiring, sharp bits, speedo, noise etc etc etc. Second failure emissions Co%vol 10.44, Co2 %vol 8.3, O2 %vol 0.06, HC 2140ppm. After Andy Bates had done his work my local garage gave me these results for the car.Co%vol 0.01, Co2%vol 14.28, O2 %vol 1.16HC 183ppm. They tell me this is fine and a pass for a 93' Fireblade engine. I do not quite get it the Co2 %vol is now higher together with the O2%vol, is this OK or is it the Co%vol and the HC ppm that is the most important bit, still concerned?.

[Edited on 25/7/09 by LBMEFM]
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Good luck for today !!!

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To give some more insight to the other posts –

This was the question –

manufacturer plate

thanks for the fluid help. any help with this one please. read through the iva manual and it mentions a manufacturers plate. building a viento so any ideas what I need to do?

This is my answer –

Who is building the vehicle? I think its you.... So bearing that in mind.... And reading the appropriate section in the manual.... MAKE ONE !!

Maybe a little sharp, but the point I was trying to make and this is how I read the manual, the manufacturers plate need to be made by the manufacturer and if you are building the vehicle then you are the manufacturer and can therefore make one your self.
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This is my response –

Its not the tester being an arse, it’s a legal requirement and a safety issue.

To this response –

I suspect he'll want to leave it idling at some point.

Does it go into neutral at all?

can't imagine he'll be best pleased, if he's an arse he might refuse to test it. If he's understanding it might be ok

With other responses –

I think the tester might want neutral when doing the emissions, just fix the car before you end up crashing it

Fit a proper engine and box! As said the tester is well within his rights to refuse to test it

Was my response any different?

cd.thomson clearly agreed with me as he posted this reply –

quote:
________________________________________
Originally posted by reme101
Its not the tester being an arse, its a legal requirement and a saftey issue.
________________________________________




Note the smiley!

And this reply –

Unless you were actually holding the db meter I would recommend that you don’t make defamatory remarks that you cant substantiate in court.

Was a reply to this –

Had my test at Gillingham in Kent. My first test and the tester said my steering wheel was not type approved, radius were ok.

On my retest I was already to fit my Sierra steering wheel after passing all the other bits. Tester says oh dont bother that wheel is not a fail anyway.... WTF either it is a fail or it isn't.

Think they just make it up as they go along.

Then the next car they passed on Noise test even tho it was several decibels above the limit.

The above comment I think is libellous and my response is helpful as I am quite sure nobody would like to end up in court. Clearly Ben didn’t have a very good experience of his IVA.

Another response on the same thread was –

I swear the tester I had must have been abused as a child!

I don’t think anybody can truthfully say that that is a fair or appropriate comment?

Now with the above information giving a bigger picture, am I really a troll that shouldn’t be fed??


[Edited on 29/10/09 by reme101]

adithorp - 28/10/09 at 12:10 PM

quote:
Originally posted by mistergrumpy
Eh? What?! I heard that Mr Thorp

[Edited on 28/10/09 by mistergrumpy]


Only quoting/paraphrasing(?) others...I could have put "All garages/mechanics are bastards"!

Mr Thorp
(mechanic and garage owner... for those that don't get the irony).

oldtimer - 28/10/09 at 12:35 PM

Steady on Reme!, my comment was not directed at you.

David Jenkins - 28/10/09 at 12:52 PM

I must admit that I have sympathy with reme's views:

The IVA regs are there for a purpose - why not try and fix things properly, rather than faff around trying to get around them.

Getting stuff right (especially self-centering, brake efficiency/balance) makes the car much nicer and safer to drive.

Obeying the rules, and not blatently trying to avoid them, reduces the risk of some government official interfering with the IVA (i.e. making it much harder) or even getting rid of it (so no kit cars - much like the rest of Europe).

Just my 2p's worth...

[Edited on 28/10/09 by David Jenkins]

Benzine - 28/10/09 at 01:15 PM

tl;dr

cd.thomson - 28/10/09 at 01:16 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Benzine
tl;dr


haha!

alistairolsen - 28/10/09 at 02:24 PM

quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
I must admit that I have sympathy with reme's views:

The IVA regs are there for a purpose - why not try and fix things properly, rather than faff around trying to get around them.

Getting stuff right (especially self-centering, brake efficiency/balance) makes the car much nicer and safer to drive.

Obeying the rules, and not blatently trying to avoid them, reduces the risk of some government official interfering with the IVA (i.e. making it much harder) or even getting rid of it (so no kit cars - much like the rest of Europe).

Just my 2p's worth...

[Edited on 28/10/09 by David Jenkins]


exactly what I was trying to say. The odd radius or whatever isnt an issue and is an annoying reason for a retest but submitting a car with 40psi in the front tyres, 5 degrees of toe out and valve springs in the rack is just irresponsible.

austin man - 28/10/09 at 03:40 PM

Least I was right about the occupation

Brommers - 28/10/09 at 04:18 PM

quote:
Originally posted by SeaBass


Seconded. It's not even as if he's a funny troll. I do think the quality of trolling has gone down these days. I remember the days when a decent troll was provocative and witty. Nowadays they're just obnoxious and rude. All the more reason not to feed them.

reme101 - 28/10/09 at 04:29 PM

quote:
Originally posted by oldtimer
Steady on Reme!, my comment was not directed at you.


Many apologies, my rant was not directed at you.

I have found that what can be read as innocent just before you hit the "post reply" button can be read as offensive 30 seconds later.

Even when you have used grammar.

SeaBass - 28/10/09 at 04:41 PM

quote:
Originally posted by reme101
Now with the above information giving a bigger picture, am I really a troll that shouldn’t be fed??


Well - I couldn't follow much of your response and already you seem to thrive on conflict? Troll or not - your not being that much help chief.

quote:
Originally posted by Benzine
tl;dr


Had to look it up!

[Edited on 28/10/09 by SeaBass]

mad-butcher - 28/10/09 at 05:08 PM

Just for info there are sva inspectors who are members of this forum, but if you think about it they are not going to admit to being one for obvious reasons, just look at some of the well phrased and technical replies to some issues of sva/iva, also how do you think they catch onto things like springs in steering racks which are hidden behind rubber boots

tony

DRC INDY 7 - 28/10/09 at 08:28 PM

Magic pure magic

reme101 - 29/10/09 at 07:46 AM

quote:
Originally posted by SeaBass
quote:
Originally posted by reme101
Now with the above information giving a bigger picture, am I really a troll that shouldn’t be fed??


Well - I couldn't follow much of your response and already you seem to thrive on conflict? Troll or not - your not being that much help chief.

quote:
Originally posted by Benzine
tl;dr


Had to look it up!

[Edited on 28/10/09 by SeaBass]


No I don’t thrive on conflict, I am trying to defend my self against a pack a ravening wolves!

I can see why any IVA inspector would leave this site as you seem to be confrontational and aggressive towards anyone who doesn’t agree with you (not everyone of course just a small few ignorant individuals).

And to those individuals I say “good luck in your build and IVA inspection” because you are going to need it.

I don’t think I shall bother to post on here anymore which will be music to some ears.

MikeR - 29/10/09 at 08:32 AM

and a shame to many others.

mistergrumpy - 29/10/09 at 09:30 AM

That was good. We've not had any excitement on here for a while now.
More seriously though. I can tell that the dark nights are drawing in and Winter's coming as the back biting seems to have started again. In the 3.5 years or so that I've been here this always seems to happen.As soon as people start with the Christmas avatars and someone posts about the forum clock being wrong Very predictable and regular as clockwork.

[Edited on 29/10/09 by mistergrumpy]

SeaBass - 29/10/09 at 12:51 PM

Great - you didn't help anyone, now your no longer going to post... A large dose of win.

Good job I passed SVA first time with no faults (by reading the manual) otherwise, obviously, I'd need your help for the IVA!

reme101 - 29/10/09 at 08:08 PM

[Edited on 29/10/09 by reme101]

Fozzie - 30/10/09 at 12:14 AM

quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
I must admit that I have sympathy with reme's views:

The IVA regs are there for a purpose - why not try and fix things properly, rather than faff around trying to get around them.

Getting stuff right (especially self-centering, brake efficiency/balance) makes the car much nicer and safer to drive.

Obeying the rules, and not blatently trying to avoid them, reduces the risk of some government official interfering with the IVA (i.e. making it much harder) or even getting rid of it (so no kit cars - much like the rest of Europe).

Just my 2p's worth...

[Edited on 28/10/09 by David Jenkins]


Totally agree with you David.

Reading the above posts, after receiving a few 'reported' u2u's, it does seem to me as though a few need to chill a little.

If we do have MOT testers, or IVA inspectors as members of this forum, then we should think ourselves as very lucky!
We truly do have the entire kit and caboodle to get the cars built, tested, and on the road SAFELY.

The last place to cut corners of the build is at the IVA..after all it is YOUR safety as well as for your passenger(s), and for everyone else's safety that happens to be on the road at the time.....

In case you haven't gathered, my pet thing with these self build cars is safety......

However, I do not believe that anybody here has deliberately tried to get around an SVA/IVA safety issue.

reme101, Ben's post wasn't defamatory at all. If you followed all of his SVA threads, you would realise that he wasn't accusing anyone of actually making up the rules, but more of an exasperated expression, as in, on SVA test 1, the steering wheel was a fail, on SVA 2, the same thing was a 'pass'....... I cannot see anything remotely malicious in Bens post.

I cannot see any practical reason for the origin of this thread to be honest. If anyone has a problem with a poster's 'tone' than surely it is better to try and sort it out one to one by u2u.

Some people write in a style that 'cuts to the chase', whilst some waffle on endlessly but say nothing......so a little more patience and understanding please....

As long as the forum rules are adhered to, everyone is very welcome on this forum.....

Fozzie

Staple balls - 30/10/09 at 12:24 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Fozzie
As long as the forum rules are adhered to, everyone is very welcome on this forum.....


So what are the rules? I'm not sure I've seen them laid out anywhere.

Fozzie - 30/10/09 at 12:41 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Staple balls
quote:
Originally posted by Fozzie
As long as the forum rules are adhered to, everyone is very welcome on this forum.....


So what are the rules? I'm not sure I've seen them laid out anywhere.


Smart Alec......

For new members (since at least mid 2007.... if not earlier....), they have to verify by phone, where the terms and conditions are stated verbally, by continuing the registration, the new member has therefore accepted the terms.

For those who registered prior to that......you know the score...

Fozzie

Staple balls - 30/10/09 at 12:43 AM

Ahh.

I wasn't aware of that, what with being here when it was all fields.

Fozzie - 30/10/09 at 12:47 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Staple balls
Ahh.

I wasn't aware of that, what with being here when it was all fields.


oo I remember those fields back then too!

Staple balls - 30/10/09 at 12:51 AM

They were nice fields, lovely fun roads between them too.

Fozzie - 30/10/09 at 12:58 AM

Oooo yes.... no speed humps, traffic calming, cameras or gatso's.... them were the days!... mutter, mutter....... sigh!

Staple balls - 30/10/09 at 12:59 AM

Ahh, to think I wasn't a miserable old git back then

Fozzie - 30/10/09 at 01:10 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Staple balls
Ahh, to think I wasn't a miserable old git back then


..are you now then?

Staple balls - 30/10/09 at 01:12 AM

Certainly feels like it.

Fozzie - 30/10/09 at 01:42 AM

Nah...I don't believe it for one second.......

David Jenkins - 30/10/09 at 08:47 AM

I find, as I get older, that I can't be bothered with excess politeness...

...much better to say what needs to be said, without actually being rude.

Bah! Humbug!

reme101 - 30/10/09 at 05:57 PM

quote:


reme101, Ben's post wasn't defamatory at all. If you followed all of his SVA threads, you would realise that he wasn't accusing anyone of actually making up the rules, but more of an exasperated expression, as in, on SVA test 1, the steering wheel was a fail, on SVA 2, the same thing was a 'pass'....... I cannot see anything remotely malicious in Bens post.

I cannot see any practical reason for the origin of this thread to be honest. If anyone has a problem with a poster's 'tone' than surely it is better to try and sort it out one to one by u2u.

Fozzie


Hi Fozzie.

I wasn't having a dig at Ben and i do see his point at being frustrated at Test 1 / test 2 etc.
My post was trying to warn him of the legal implications of actually putting down in black and white that the car in front of him passed when it shouldn't, can nobody else see that??
We all know that IVA examiners read these posts, so, Mr VOSA reads that someone passed when he shouldn't, finds out which station and traces the test, turns up at the owners door and informs him that he has to undergo a new test (IVA now) the vehicle is no longer registered (I don't know if that can happen) how would that owner feel ?

quote:

I cannot see any practical reason for the origin of this thread to be honest. If anyone has a problem with a poster's 'tone' than surely it is better to try and sort it out one to one by u2u.


Neither can I.
The post was put up and some of the replies are having a dig at me, directly or not, so I respond and it only makes matters worse.

I apologize if I have offended anyone and if I do stay on the forum I will try to make my posts a little more tactful.

Dave.

Brommers - 1/11/09 at 12:31 AM

quote:
Originally posted by reme101

I wasn't having a dig at Ben and i do see his point at being frustrated at Test 1 / test 2 etc.
My post was trying to warn him of the legal implications of actually putting down in black and white that the car in front of him passed when it shouldn't, can nobody else see that??


There are no legal implications. The post in question did not identify the testing station, the tester concerned or the vehicle being tested. There are, therefore, no legal implications. If you're going to give legal advice, make sure you're qualified to do so. And yes, I am.

quote:
Originally posted by reme101
We all know that IVA examiners read these posts, so, Mr VOSA reads that someone passed when he shouldn't, finds out which station and traces the test, turns up at the owners door and informs him that he has to undergo a new test (IVA now) the vehicle is no longer registered (I don't know if that can happen) how would that owner feel ?


It can't happen, so it appears you were addressing a problem that doesn't exist. And since the testing station wasn't identified, the tester wasn't identified, and the car being tested wasn't identified, in addition to changing the law to allow VOSA to rescind MACs, they'd have to have psychic abilities. And last time I checked, even VOSA testers didn't claim to have those particular skills.

quote:
Originally posted by reme101

I apologize if I have offended anyone and if I do stay on the forum I will try to make my posts a little more tactful.

Dave.


In that case, welcome and hello and I hope you stay around. I doubt many posters object to straight-talking, but there is a dividing line between that and being gratuitously offensive, and most people can identify that line. But what the hell, life's too short, live and let live...

reme101 - 1/11/09 at 11:51 AM

duly noted
But it does mention the testing station in the original post

quote:
Had my test at Gillingham in Kent. My first test and the tester said my steering wheel was not type approved, radius were ok.

On my retest i was already to fit my Sierra steering wheel after passing all the other bits. Tester says oh dont bother that wheel is not a fail anyway.... WTF either it is a fail or it isn't.

Think they just make it up as they go along.


Then the next car they passed on Noise test even tho it was several decibels above the limit.


If you do a search you can find when his original test was carried out and where he lives.

And finally can admin delete this whole thread so it can be forgotten and we can all move on ??

[Edited on 1/11/09 by reme101]

[Edited on 1/11/09 by reme101]

MikeR - 1/11/09 at 04:50 PM

u2u fozzie - she handles most of the admin stuff but doesn't check each and every post.

(ps include a link to the post to make it easy for her, the poor girl gets run off her feet looking after all us blokes)

Fozzie - 1/11/09 at 05:21 PM

I thought I had replied sufficiently earlier, and lightened it up a bit with the help of SB (ta mate ).....but it seems as though it was in vain...

I am loathe to delete threads as you all know.....so....I will close it for now......and 'maybe' delete later....

Fozzie ..... Admin