I am building a haynes roadster and pretty much everything will be new. The question is for example I am using sierra front hubs. You cant buy them
new so are you allowed to refurb them so they look like new. The last thing I want is a Q plate when the car is registered, I just dont like the look
of them. The engine is second hand but again, I will be stripping the whole thing down and replacing all the bearing gaskets etc and then will make
sure the engine looks like new when I am finished.
Bascially the only parts that wont be officially new but all will be refurbed and made to look like new are, engine, gearbox, diff.
I know the rules say you can have 1 part refurbed but how strict are they about this?
Cheers.
There's a place called microsoft word that sells new and refurbished parts and provides lovely invoices as proof
The reg is down to Dvla not the iva. The only age matter for iva is that of the engine for emissions.
You could buy new sierra uprights from rally design ect a few years ago.
yes those were my intial thought, I did think its highly unlikely the tester actually goes into that level of investigation....
good stuff
If you go by the rules then you are nowhere near to getting a new plate IMHO
Sie
rra doner
Go for age related and save a load of stress
As big wasa said, the IVA and registration are unrelated.
But a word of caution with MS invoices, I know one supplier had a call from DVLA to verify the invoice!
Sierra donor and a 'year plate' for me too.
problem is I am not using a doner so I dont have any plate. The only parts that will be second hand but I would refurb them are, engine, gearbox/bell
housing and diff. Everything else on the car will be new.
I mean the gearbox will be a refurbed unit anyway done by a company not me, I had hope I could clean the diff up and make it tidy.
Also what happens in the IVA when parts are hidden from eye and dont have access. For example I had planed to cover the underneath of the whole car
where possible with panels.
Sierra V5 is the only way to go really at your designated VRO, plenty around and you probably wont even have to ask as someone is bound to have one on
SORN.
If you get one just make sure YOU put it on SORN, this keeps the V5 live and in play.
Although 10 years ago i registered on a Q plate and to be honest it has been more than helpfull re MOT and easy emissions, tested on visible only for
undetermined year. If age related i would never get the emissions even near with the fueling i have.
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Originally posted by Piooly
problem is I am not using a doner so I dont have any plate. The only parts that will be second hand but I would refurb them are, engine, gearbox/bell housing and diff. Everything else on the car will be new.
I mean the gearbox will be a refurbed unit anyway done by a company not me, I had hope I could clean the diff up and make it tidy.
Also what happens in the IVA when parts are hidden from eye and dont have access. For example I had planed to cover the underneath of the whole car where possible with panels.
Yep, hence buy a cheap doner and use the parts off it and the V5 for an age related plate
Your more likely to convince the DVLA that the front hubs, axels steering etc are from your doner, than you are that all only 1 item is refurbished as
new
Re IVA access, then pictures are good of anything that might be questioned, such as seatbelt mounts, they either need to be seen or again, proven to
be good and pictures will save stripping the car at the test
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Originally posted by Piooly
yes those were my intial thought, I did think its highly unlikely the tester actually goes into that level of investigation....
good stuff
I don't think that at this time anyone has a definite answer on your question, it is only recently that the DLVA closed all of the local offices
and changed to a central process. I am sure that over the next few months it will become clear how rigorous, incompetently or inconsistently the DVLA
will deal with prevention of fraudulently presenting a car as new when it clearly is not.
Odd that there is still a stigma attached with Q plates - I had to laugh recently with a comment on a picture in December PPC which stated "
Bonnet says Westfield Q plate says Locost" - I bet every Q plate Westfield owner loves them for that comment - 
My old Q plate Westifield's plate said - " not a single donor or new parts build"
My information from the office that processed my IVA who said they had been asked to take on the first registration of kit cars inc the designation new, age related and Q plate. They had refused to take it on, once and were in discussion with DOT. That was last summer. I get the impression a gross simplification is on the way that we may not necessarily like. I can think of one, all new parts only after a certain date. So get kit finished now!
Registered mine recently and the focus items for age related were..
Possession of a V5 from donor
Receipts for new parts used and listing the used / refurbished parts from the donor...
Receipt with proof of manufactured new for the chassis... Declaration of newness.. Real focus on this in particular...
Dave B
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Originally posted by Dave Bailey
Receipt with proof of manufactured new for the chassis... Declaration of newness.. Real focus on this in particular...
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Originally posted by Slimy38
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Originally posted by Dave Bailey
Receipt with proof of manufactured new for the chassis... Declaration of newness.. Real focus on this in particular...
This is what is worrying me, especially if they're also paying more attention to the receipts.
I think but don't quote me but the raw material receipt and a declaration of self built chassis should tick the boxes...
Thanks
Dave B
So if it were on a q plate there is no problems with emissions???? This could be very handy
Maybe I should swallow my thoughts on plates.
No .... Emissions go on the age of the engine... Q plate or age related have the same emission requirement.
Dave B
As above, however, often mistakenly tested as visible smoke only
For IVA the emissions will be tested on the age of the engine, if you cannot prove the age then the car will be tested to full BETs criteria (meaning
you will need a cat) - regardless of how you want to register it.
How it will be tested at MOT will depend on how it is registered. At Q plate will be tester to pre 1974 specs (visible smoke) age related or new regs
will be tested to the age of the vehicle.
Shaun
Vehicles having a Q plate registration when presented for MOT are to
be treated as being first used on 1 January 1971 [/thread]
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Originally posted by theduck
As above, however, often mistakenly tested as visible smoke only
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Originally posted by MikeRJ
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Originally posted by theduck
As above, however, often mistakenly tested as visible smoke only
If no emissions data it presented to the MOT tester when he enters the reg. no, then it will be correctly tested for visible smoke only. This should never happen on any car that has been through SVA/IVA but in practice it seems a number of people haven't had the emissions data printed on their Q plate V5.
I see, thank you everyone for your help, this was my first post on this site and a great outcome. Nice to be part of a very helpful community! My
build started mid December and so far chassis is complete, engine delivered next week, wishbones are next and trying to find a suitable diff with LSD
for as little as possible, fun games ahead.
Thanks again.
Hi,
If you are going to write your own letter for the newness of the chassis, it will be a good idea you include the following:
Chassis number
Total design weight
Front/ rear weights
[Edited on 2/1/14 by Acc8braman]
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Originally posted by Piooly
I see, thank you everyone for your help, this was my first post on this site and a great outcome. Nice to be part of a very helpful community! My build started mid December and so far chassis is complete, engine delivered next week, wishbones are next and trying to find a suitable diff with LSD for as little as possible, fun games ahead.
Thanks again.
I hate to hijack someones thread....
But I dont quite get the age related plate ?
Don't you need the 8 point score etc for that? (engine,axles,...)
8 point score was part of the old SVA test, that's now gone.
Guidance to registering a kit-car is located in the following DVLA document:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/@motor/documents/digitalasset/dg_180218.pdf
There are 3 types of registration for a kit car:
Age-Related Plate - if the car is based on a donor and donor parts are used and you can prove their origin/have the original v5 etc
Q-Plate - Parts of an unknown age / no donor v5 / anything else
New Registration - 13/63/13/64 plate etc if all parts are new with receipts to prove. Guidance for this taken from the document linked
above:
"If all the parts of a vehicle are supplied new by the manufacturer, the vehicle will be allocated a current registration number as long as
you provide satisfactory receipts and a Certificate of Newness. Kit cars which have been built using no more than one reconditioned component will
also be registered under a current registration number as long as you provide
satisfactory evidence that the component has been reconditioned to an ‘as new’ standard. The vehicle must have IVA, SVA or MSVA."
In order to get a new/age related registration the following form needs completing when submitting the application to the DVLA.
Information - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/built-up-vehicle-inspection-report
Document itself - https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/222627/dg_065268.pdf
As you can see you now have 7 items to be taken into consideration to get a new registration which are:
Chassis & Bodyshell
Axles (both)
Transmission
Engine
Steering Assembly
Suspension (Front and Back)
I hope the above information helps.
[Edited on 2/1/14 by daveb666]
Just as an example,
The rear axle part; if it's a sierra rear end, there isn't an axle as such but if you were to strip the rear diff and replace the bearings,
seals and swap the open diff for a new quaiffe unit, then use new drive shafts and hub bearings, would that class as new or would the second hand
casing let you down?
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Originally posted by ste
Just as an example,
The rear axle part; if it's a sierra rear end, there isn't an axle as such but if you were to strip the rear diff and replace the bearings, seals and swap the open diff for a new quaiffe unit, then use new drive shafts and hub bearings, would that class as new or would the second hand casing let you down?
quote:
Originally posted by daveb666
8 point score was part of the old SVA test, that's now gone.
Guidance to registering a kit-car is located in the following DVLA document:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/@motor/documents/digitalasset/dg_180218.pdf
There are 3 types of registration for a kit car:
Age-Related Plate - if the car is based on a donor and donor parts are used and you can prove their origin/have the original v5 etc
Q-Plate - Parts of an unknown age / no donor v5 / anything else
New Registration - 13/63/13/64 plate etc if all parts are new with receipts to prove. Guidance for this taken from the document linked above:
"If all the parts of a vehicle are supplied new by the manufacturer, the vehicle will be allocated a current registration number as long as you provide satisfactory receipts and a Certificate of Newness. Kit cars which have been built using no more than one reconditioned component will also be registered under a current registration number as long as you provide
satisfactory evidence that the component has been reconditioned to an ‘as new’ standard. The vehicle must have IVA, SVA or MSVA."
In order to get a new/age related registration the following form needs completing when submitting the application to the DVLA.
Information - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/built-up-vehicle-inspection-report
Document itself - https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/222627/dg_065268.pdf
As you can see you now have 7 items to be taken into consideration to get a new registration which are:
Chassis & Bodyshell
Axles (both)
Transmission
Engine
Steering Assembly
Suspension (Front and Back)
I hope the above information helps.
[Edited on 2/1/14 by daveb666]
You're probably right if you have the original V5 document - if you don't you then have to start hunting around for stuff. I didn't have any donor documents so went for the New registration instead.
Try this:
Chassis & Bodyshell New: receipt from kit manufacturer
Axles (both) New: receipt for wishbones.
Transmission New: receipt for propshaft
Engine Recon: receipt for engine rebuild
Steering Assembly New: receipt for rack
Suspension (Front and Back) New: receipt for shockers
Plus certificate of newness from kit manufacturer.
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Originally posted by coozer
Try this:
Chassis & Bodyshell New: receipt from kit manufacturer
Axles (both) New: receipt for wishbones.
Transmission New: receipt for propshaft
Engine Recon: receipt for engine rebuild
Steering Assembly New: receipt for rack
Suspension (Front and Back) New: receipt for shockers
Plus certificate of newness from kit manufacturer.
Hi, I have a question on this topic:
If you use a donor, for example a sierra, but swap the engine for say a Zetec or bike engine, would the rest of the donor parts count as enough for an
age related plate?
Or do you have to use the donor's pinto and swap engines later and live with cost (and holes in bodywork if it's not a Duratec)?
I don't see a problem with "Q" plates, never bothered me really. An age related plate may possibly show the date of manufacture/ 1st
registration as the year of the donor, my 2B did 
. So you may need an MOT after 1st year, not 3rd.
The other problem is with emissions. When I had the IVA, for the MK, I wasn't asked for proof of engine age.
I was a bit puzzled by this, the examiner explained that they would only ask if the emissions failed post 2002 BET. The MK
passed post 2002 test, with a bike engine
. Great I thought Until I got the V5c, this is showing post 2002 emissions required at MOT
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Originally posted by kingster996
Hi, I have a question on this topic:
If you use a donor, for example a sierra, but swap the engine for say a Zetec or bike engine, would the rest of the donor parts count as enough for an age related plate?
Or do you have to use the donor's pinto and swap engines later and live with cost (and holes in bodywork if it's not a Duratec)?
Thanks for the info.
OK, one more - as you lot seem to be quite knowledgable on this subject
If you buy an unregistered and unused chassis - ie an unfinished (actually un-started) project - if you can't get a 'certificate of
newness' for the chassis for one reason or another, what then?
I ask, as I might have the chance of one - but concerned that if I can't prove it is a manufactured chassis, then I might have issues when it
comes to actually registering it.
Cheers!
Bit of grey area, some have managed to use self build chassis with no issues, some have used recipts for steel as proof, some have needed to prove it came from a specialist manufacturer. Now things are centralise at the DVLA I would hope it will be more consistant, but im not sure what option they will consitantly use!! Maybe worth a call/email.
Actually, just found out that seller has the original sales receipt, so I assume that would suffice?