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"A" Frame confusion again
LBMEFM - 2/11/16 at 07:24 AM

I have been asked to collect an incomplete and unregistered car locally and as a trailer is not available I am thinking about using my "A" frame. I know this has been a topic of conversation before but just clarify, if the towed car is not being driven, it is not occupied, it is rigidly attached to the towing vehicle with the "A" frame and is carrying the lights and number plate of the towing vehicle it is surely a trailer. For instance if I bought an old caravan and took off the body and loaded it with an engine and other car parts how would that be different ?


HowardB - 2/11/16 at 07:52 AM

something to do with the distance between the axles maybe?

I am sure that someone will be along soon with a definitive answer,...


cliftyhanger - 2/11/16 at 08:13 AM

Brakes are an issue. Or rather the fact the trailer will be unbraked and unplated...


loggyboy - 2/11/16 at 08:35 AM

IF its under 500kg then its arguably an unbraked trailer, which I suspect an unfinished kit it should be. If its a tin top then you have no chance.

How far is the journey? as rules for 'recovery' are more grey.

[Edited on 2-11-16 by loggyboy]


benchmark51 - 2/11/16 at 08:42 AM

I think it's to do with the 'trailer having 2 axles on the ground and the distance between them is greater than a metre. In which case it must have working brakes. I also believe that the Bill are lenient if you are using the 'A' frame to move a broken down car to a safer place. Towing a kitcar behind a motorhome is not allowed, which is why I bought one .


nick205 - 2/11/16 at 09:12 AM

I'm assuming you have a tow vehicle already?

If so have you looked into renting a suitable trailer?

Renting is not usually prohibitively expensive and should get you around legal issues.


LBMEFM - 2/11/16 at 10:50 AM

Thanks for the replies, I have only got to move it about five miles so I think I will risk it as its not worth hiring a trailer. With regards to towing a car with a motor home benchmark51. I live just off the A2 into Dover docks and during the holiday periods I see countless motor homes coming into and out of the docks with cars on "A" frames so I believe the police are not that hot on it being against the law.


benchmark51 - 2/11/16 at 03:26 PM

quote:
Originally posted by LBMEFM
Thanks for the replies, I have only got to move it about five miles so I think I will risk it as its not worth hiring a trailer. With regards to towing a car with a motor home benchmark51. I live just off the A2 into Dover docks and during the holiday periods I see countless motor homes coming into and out of the docks with cars on "A" frames so I believe the police are not that hot on it being against the law.


Very interesting but you can bet the first time I try it I'll get a gnarly plod whose missus has permanent migrane


wylliezx9r - 2/11/16 at 04:26 PM

READ this first:

http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=200959


loggyboy - 2/11/16 at 04:37 PM

How part finished is it? If it doesnt have any brakes fitted and is under 750kg then it could justifiably be classed as an unbraked trailer and be ok to tow with an A frame.


snapper - 2/11/16 at 06:43 PM

I thought the issue was that if it touched the ground it was a car on the public highway and therefore must have insurance & tax


loggyboy - 2/11/16 at 06:57 PM

quote:
Originally posted by snapper
I thought the issue was that if it touched the ground it was a car on the public highway and therefore must have insurance & tax

not if it's a trailer.


Oddified - 2/11/16 at 09:58 PM

As Owelly found out, if it's deemed to be a car, wheels on the road, it needs to be road legal and the driver in the tow vehicle needs to be insured for the towed as he is also in charge of it. That's more relevant (with bigger fines/points) than the brake debate, weights, axle distances, over run etc etc

Ian