Can't understand why the original post went missing. Maybe the site is playing up again, so just thought I'd post a new thread to let everyone know about it.

[courtesy of GTS website]
At the bottom of this page you will find links to download the GTs40 brochure, build manual and chassis drawing packs.

The GTs40 kit has been designed to accept a range of common donor car components, and other bespoke components from GTS and other leading distributors.

The GTs40 kit is our take on the iconic Ford GT-40. The chassis and suspension have been re-specified by Formula One design engineer and GTS proprietor Darren George to over come the donor parts issue and also make completing the SVA test easier.

The chassis design is available as a set of plans, to keep with the GTS theme of build as much by yourself as possible, or as part of our comprehensive kit. Customers can buy any single item from the range of parts available. GTS prides itself on being a useful source of help to all our customers feel free to call us with your queries.

The kits pricing has been kept in line with our other products and services in that it offers superior quality and an unrivalled price. With our background in high performance racing car technology, we bring quality and engineering excellence to a market that suffers from a low cost = low quality thinking. GTS keeps prices down by keeping overheads low and not sacrificing quality.

# Kit includes Chassis
# Roll over hoop
# Floor
# Full aluminium panel set
# Seat back bulkhead
# 2 x top wishbones – made using oval section tubing. To accept GTS rapid camber adjusters
# 2 x camber adjuster
# 2 x lower wishbones – made using oval section tubing
# 2 x rear top trailing links
# 2 x rear lower trailing arms
# 2 x rear top link arms
# 2 x rear lower link arms
# Quick ratio steering rack
# GTS Build Mentor subscription, including free pre-SVA check and pre-MOT
# Wiring loom
# Rear uprights
# Front uprights
# Rod end set
# Poly bush set
# 2 x top ball joints
# 2 x lower ball joints
# Multi piece GRP body work set.
# 2 x steering rack extensions
# Suspension nut, bolt and washer set
# Adjustable pedal set
# New steering downlink

Deluxe Starter Kit - £3995.00



GTs-40

[/Courtesy of GTS Website]

Phil



[Edited on 2-1-07 by Hellfire]

is this available by phone or mail order?

Cant see the links Phil.
Steve.

have a look here:

http://www.s123613988.websitehome.co.uk/gts40.htm

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Originally posted by Paul G
have a look here:

http://www.s123613988.websitehome.co.uk/gts40.htm

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Bit confused here

Phil,why is there a picture of an MDA GT40 MKII, (Bodied by Chris Melia I believe, but could be wrong)....at the bottom of your post re GTS?

I am obviously missing something here......ah well.........

Fozzie

I cant download any of the pdf's though....!

Sorry.... a picture of what???

Do you mean to tell me that the GTs-40 car on the GTS website is not one of theirs..........

Phil

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Originally posted by Hellfire

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Originally posted by Paul G
have a look here:

http://www.s123613988.websitehome.co.uk/gts40.htm

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Thanks for that, I'd forgotten to put the link in...............

[Edited on 2-1-07 by Hellfire]

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perhaps they've bought the moulds and rights to market it or summat - it does say "The chassis and suspension have been re-specified by Formula One design engineer and GTS proprietor Darren George "


If it does look like that and you can put a rover v8 in it I'm buying one!!

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Originally posted by Hellfire
Sorry.... a picture of what???

Do you mean to tell me that the GTs-40 car on the GTS website is not one of theirs..........

Phil

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Certainly looks very similar..........

LINK

Phil

[Edited on 2-1-07 by Hellfire]

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You beat me Phil

[Edited on 3/1/07 by scottc]

Christ! these cost 45 grand ready built! I will bite their arm off if GTS are offering a locost version (ie I could build it for less than 10 grand!)

It IS MDA's !

I am sure that car was bodied/developed by Chris Melia... not GTS.....
But.. again I could be mistaken....

Fozzie

There is slight differences between the two pic's bonnet catches and hinges, plus the bonnet number two also looks to be again in a slightly different location...not much in it and I think the wheels are not the same. Maybe this is two copys of a famous race car, bit like copy's of herbie...

Ones also got a wiper and a different shape of bump in the roof.

[Edited on 3/1/07 by macnab]

I can't see the pdf files???
I'm interested in the chassis design

Most (if not all) of the GT40 replicas I've seen at shows have had chassis and suspension that look more suited to tractors or trailers than proper race cars. Bugger-all triangulation with no concept of 'adding lightness' just massive chunks of box section.
If GTS release a decent replica of (IMHO) a good looking car, that's got a well designed chassis and running gear... all at a cheap price.... then brilliant! Who could possibly object???

For £4K I'm bloody tempted myself.....

How hard is it to turn it into a Ford GT rather than a GT40 by the way?

And where do I buy a bloody great super charger???


Cheers,
James

[Edited on 3/1/07 by James]

I think you'll find your all wrong. It was Eric Broadley and John Wyer who were and are responsible for the iconic shape not GTS or MDA......Hats off to GTS for making a copy so affordable....Oli.

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Originally posted by oliwb
I think you'll find your all wrong. It was Eric Broadley and John Wyer who were and are responsible for the iconic shape not GTS or MDA......Hats off to GTS for making a copy so affordable....Oli.

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Then surely MDA are equally at fault by showing a picture of a car that isn't their's either! However to answer the question I would imagine its due to expense....its an awful lot cheaper to spray a car solid black and the detail than it is to paint it in the gulf oil colours which would probably also invoke a lot of copyrights etc.
I think a call to GTS is in order....I want to know if thats the finished car or not....if so I want the drawing pack! I find it quite funny though that those of you damning it is a rip off haven't said whether you like it or not, merely that there most be some underhanded goings on at GTS. We've established its obviously a good copy and that its £4K so will you get over the GTS thing enough to stump up? I for one am for the first time finding myself drawn towards GTS in this case. How long till MK do a take on a classic race car that obviously will be an original piece of work and not a clone in any shape or form? Oli.

I fear the cost of Engine and Transmission will not make this a cheap option.

Can someone correct me? Is it feasable to take a FWD engine and stick it in the back?


Maybe the Boxer engine from a Subaru would be nice :-)



[Edited on 3/1/07 by scottc]

4.2 v8 audi with transaxle would be the budget option to go for imho, saw an engine for £600 the other day, very tempting..

this replica sounds good, I'll be interested to see the chassis design and a demo car at detling or stoneleigh.

Ned.

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Originally posted by scottc
I fear the cost of Engine and Transmission will not make this a cheap option.
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Just to add my 2p worth, the image is a press shot of the Ford Dearborn owned and restored GT40 from the link below; Pictures show a simply stunning car;

http://www.motorcities.com/contents/06/1966-Ford-GT40-Reliving-Le-Mans-Victory-at-Goodwood_06G4B215828805.html








[Edited on 3/1/07 by SeaBass]

Success SWMBO has agreed to let me buy one....excellent. Time to give GTS a ring and see what the plans look like....Oli.

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Originally posted by SeaBass
Just to add my 2p worth, the image is a press shot of the Ford Dearborn owned and restored GT40 from the link below; Pictures show a simply stunning car;

[Edited on 3/1/07 by SeaBass]

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Didn't Adrian Newey crash an original GT40 a while back? That had to sting!

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Didn't Adrian Newey crash an original GT40 a while back? That had to sting!

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SeaBass, I just knew I had seen that car recently!

A damn fine race at Goodwood (this year) it was too! Photo taken in front of the hangar toward the airfield I think....

Fozzie

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Excuse my ignorance... what's Ford Dearborn?

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Originally posted by SeaBass

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Originally posted by James
Excuse my ignorance... what's Ford Dearborn?

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OK - Ford Motor Company USA, Dearborn, Michigan...

Ring any bells??

Cheers

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Yep Michigan! I think if you read on Ford reliveried one of their own GT40's for Goodwood.

Fozzie

So, at the end of the day, Darren's used a picture of a genuine GT40 to show what you're replica can look like.... rather than a picture of someone else's replica.
Not really too much of a crime then.... and hardly worth this thread and all the associated aggro!



Cheers,
James

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Originally posted by James
So, at the end of the day, Darren's used a picture of a genuine GT40 to show what you're replica can look like.... rather than a picture of someone else's replica.
Not really too much of a crime then.... and hardly worth this thread and all the associated aggro!
James

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Originally posted by James
So, at the end of the day, Darren's used a picture of a genuine GT40 to show what you're replica can look like.... rather than a picture of someone else's replica.
Not really too much of a crime then.... and hardly worth this thread and all the associated aggro!
James

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I see your point, but surely a picture of their own replica would have been more appropriate?

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Does anyone know if this kit is currently in production at GTS? Or if it's just slipped onto the website prematurely? If it's the latter then it would explain why Darren hasn't used a picture of his own replica...

If anyone here is contacting GTS today could they please ask the above question as I feel it would clear up a lot of confusion.

The GT40 is a lovely car and Darren may have hit on a cash cow here if he can produce the kits quick enough.

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Originally posted by James
So, at the end of the day, Darren's used a picture of a genuine GT40 to show what you're replica can look like.... rather than a picture of someone else's replica.
Not really too much of a crime then.... and hardly worth this thread and all the associated aggro!



Cheers,
James

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I actually thought it was a GTs-40, hence my post. An extremely good looking car and likewise, extremely good value for money. Hell, I wouldn't mind building one myself if it looks anywhere near as good as that. I don't have a problem with promoting ANY company on this forum regardless of what others think. We have received help/advice and purchased parts from the majority of manufacturers on here, so why shouldn't I promote them??

Now I've been called some things in my time but demi-god??? Despot??? Tosspott??? At least the first two are new to me

Hang on a minute, a few more as well now.......... Imbecile??? Arsehole??? (Nope, still the first two are new )

Just to clarify for the 'hard of understanding', there are only two people on Locostbuilders who post under the user name of 'Hellfire' and they are myself (Phil) and Steve. A quick look at the bottom of the post will usually reveal the author

Finally, the GT40 is a great looking car and if the GTs-40 looks anything like it, then I'm sure Darren will reap the rewards from it's sales and so he should!. If some people think I have a hidden agenda, I would suggest they seek professional help.

Phil

[Edited on 3-1-07 by Hellfire]

I rang Darren this morning, Contrary to popular myths, he rang back within the hour.

Its a GT40 (Mk1) look alike as is most replicas.

Running gear based on either Sierra or Granada depending if you want 4 or 5 stud wheels.

Renault or Audi transaxle.

Ford Granada V6 up to Small block V8's and will take the Rover V8 as well. (Audi v6 as well ??)

ie I would expect it could take almost anything you can find that has a conversion plate for the transaxles above.

No docs available as yet, as they are being written. So the links dont work.

Darren put this on his website without announcing it to gauge interest... His phone has not stopped ringing since!!

The car wont be ready for at least a couple of months as they are still finalising the build. So wait a bit before bombarding Darren with orders

I think we are all interested at that price.

As Darren said, its a lot more work than a Seven style. IMHO that does not justfiy the higher prices that are out there in the current marketplace from some manufacturers. However, its their companies pricing policy and its up to them what they decide to charge.

I cant afford a Rolls Royce either
I have to vote with my wallet!

This is a good idea and perhaps could be considered as a Locost GT40 Replica.

If he can make a profit at that price, then good luck to him, perhaps the others manufacturers should take note!.

I believe the idea is along the right lines, as its a beautiful shape for a car.

At least Darren is trying something else for us tight ars*s to build cheaply!.

I just rang them to enquire, now I know the problems other people have had contacting them in the past and I've never rang them before but the phone was answered straight away, the link on the site to the pdf's shouldnt be there yet it was put on by mistake but everything should be ready in 6-8 weeks. I asked for an estimated build cost with a rover V8 and he said 10-12 grand.

Right - think its time to sell my VX220, that should cover it!

Bump, any news on this project?

Cheers

Fred W B

Was there the other day, the prototype chassis has just about been made.
Darren was sat at the competor drawing up a ford 302 gearbox bolt pattern to work out how to mate it to the audi transaxle.
they were hoping to take it to exeter in November but i'm not sure if they will as they have just about finished their BMW based W7DE kit.
Cheers.