http://www.zml.com/?uid=5205194
Reliable too. You can download in different formats, which varies the cost. Max $4.99 per film. Id download DIVX or .AVI format, which is DVD
quality. It even gives you a link to a free CODEC donwload to ake sure they work on your player.
So far ive downloaded 38 films in the last three months. - Thats what you get from working nights!!!
Sorry to tell you this, but they ain't legal films.
whys that then?
"6.1 All materials presented on this site are available for the distribution over the Internet in accordance with the license of the Russian Organization for multimedia and Digital Systems (ROMS) and intended for personal use only. Further distribution, resale or broadcasting is strictly prohibited."
Sorry, but I didn't realise you were Russian. Cause for the rest of the world we need to look at
6.4 The Client has no right to download any Files from the Site if this violates the law of his country.
I assume by this they mean copyright laws too, so a russian site has no right to sell these anywhere but in Russia, and the reason they are doing
from "Russia" is because the copyright laws are almost non-existant.
[Edited on 4/3/09 by phoenix70]
We could also go on to look at:
7.2 Site's Administration is not responsible for the quality or/and contents of the Files which are being provided access to.
If it All legal why this clause?
If you are paying for them why?
7.3 Site's Administration can not be held responsible for the further use of the Files downloaded by the Client.
i.e. you watch it, YOU are breaching copyright
7.5 The Client is responsible for downloading any materials (including Files) from the Site.
Basically mean we are giving you access to the files, you download it and watch it you are breaking the law NOT us.
You could download the same films just as legally for free with bit torrent.
[Edited on 4/3/2009 by Keith Weiland]
I see on the front page they have Slumdog Millionairre advertised - its only been released at the cinema 8 weeks ago!! Safe to say thats not a legal
UK download (or probably anywhere else for that matter)!!
quote:
Originally posted by Keith Weiland
You could download the same films just as legally for free with bit torrent.
[Edited on 4/3/2009 by Keith Weiland]
If you use bit torrent you are file sharing something that is not yours so you are breaking the law.
If you download from them they are sharing the film, its they who are breaking the law.How can you be expected to know who is authorised to distribute
every movie.
Sorry, what I meant was that downloading copyrighted films using bit torrent is illegal in the UK and so is downloading from zml.com so, if you are doing it illegally anyway why pay for the privilege?
quote:
Originally posted by PhilCross66
If you use bit torrent you are file sharing something that is not yours so you are breaking the law.
If you download from them they are sharing the film, its they who are breaking the law.How can you be expected to know who is authorised to distribute every movie.
quote:
Originally posted by PhilCross66
If you use bit torrent you are file sharing something that is not yours so you are breaking the law.
If you download from them they are sharing the film, its they who are breaking the law.How can you be expected to know who is authorised to distribute every movie.
Sorry officer, I think you should arrest the guy who sold me the stolen telly, not me as I only bought/used it!
I know what you are both saying but Im fairly sure that its still not illegal to download these files in the UK yet. Its a bit of a grey area that has
been tightened up in some other countries.
I know trading standards are more interested in people who distribute or file share and have little interest in people who download for their own
use.
The comparison to stolen goods is poor because you are not actually stealing anything, its just a copy, they still have the original
[Edited on 4/3/09 by PhilCross66]
quote:
Originally posted by PhilCross66
I know what you are both saying but Im fairly sure that its still not illegal to download these files in the UK yet. Its a bit of a grey area that has been tightened up in some other countries.
I know trading standards are more interested in people who distribute or file share and have little interest in people who download for their own use.
The comparison to stolen goods is poor because you are not actually stealing anything, its just a copy, they still have the original
[Edited on 4/3/09 by PhilCross66]
quote:
Originally posted by PhilCross66
The comparison to stolen goods is poor because you are not actually stealing anything, its just a copy, they still have the original
[Edited on 4/3/09 by PhilCross66]
quote:
Originally posted by Keith Weiland
quote:
Originally posted by PhilCross66
The comparison to stolen goods is poor because you are not actually stealing anything, its just a copy, they still have the original
[Edited on 4/3/09 by PhilCross66]
No? Does something have to be physical to be stolen?
Linky
Google again. They are fighting on there too!! Personally i still think downloading Slumdog Millionaire for example must be illegal in the UK. Would
love to know if it isnt though!!
[Edited on 4/3/09 by Paul TigerB6]
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Originally posted by MakeEverything
Kinell, clutching at straws now. What do you mean does it have to be physical???
quote:
Originally posted by Keith Weiland
quote:
Originally posted by MakeEverything
Kinell, clutching at straws now. What do you mean does it have to be physical???
Hardly. Is the value of a CD or a DVD in the material it is held on or in the Data? When you download these files you are stealing valuable data. It was recognised quite long ago that Data has value but can be easily copied compared to physical property which is why we have copyright laws. It doesn't matter how you try to twist it it is still theft.
Its not theft, those laws apply to physical theft not taking a copy. Would you be bothered if a car thief only copied your car and left you with the
original.
There are laws aimed at stopping the distribution of these copies so you are clearly breaking the law if you sell or even give or lend these
copies.
Maybe having copies is only a grey area, maybe trading standards have bigger fish to fry or maybe they have no case but I do know people with many
copies who have had a visit from them and got to keep their collection. I also know people who were car booting dvds and got their collection seized,
lost their pc's and got large fines
quote:
Originally posted by MakeEverything
If it were File Share, i would fully agree, and i have never done it, though know people that do. File Share has been condemned as illegal in the UK.
Downloading a film that has been paid for after being told that all copyright duty has been paid, isnt.
quote:
Originally posted by PhilCross66
Its not theft, those laws apply to physical theft not taking a copy. Would you be bothered if a car thief only copied your car and left you with the original.
There are laws aimed at stopping the distribution of these copies so you are clearly breaking the law if you sell or even give or lend these copies.
Maybe having copies is only a grey area, maybe trading standards have bigger fish to fry or maybe they have no case but I do know people with many copies who have had a visit from them and got to keep their collection. I also know people who were car booting dvds and got their collection seized, lost their pc's and got large fines
When you download off say Itunes how do you actually know they have the right to distribute the song. Im sure they say they have all the rights to the
music but so does this Russian site. You could try the argument that surely they would be closed down but you could apply that to the Russian site
too.
I know Itunes has in the past had songs on its site without licence to sell them so there must be some Itunes users about who should be arrested
according to you.
There was a case recently reported on the radio of a Russian site selling music for about £1 an album. They were closed down because they didnt have
any permission to sell the music on.
Im guessing they were flaunting the same laws as this movie site.
Im sure its fine selling them in Russia, but when they make them available to the world where copyright laws exist its no longer acceptable.
As for who is doing the stealing, im not sure where anyone stands on this as you have paid for it but the copyright holder hasnt agreed to it.
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Originally posted by greggors84
There was a case recently reported on the radio of a Russian site selling music for about £1 an album.
Just because they tell you it's legal doesn't mean it is, it just hasn't been shutdown yet.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/16/ituneski4films/
Though AFAIK no one who downloaded mp3's from AllofMP3.com has been prosecuted (yet).
Interesting read......
Ok, so the information in its terms of service are now out of date!!? lol
ooks like o need to find another film supplier after all!!
Like most things on the Internet....
If it seems too good to be true.... It usually isnt.
There are NO free meal tickets in the world, and scammers are counted in their millions.
Why oh WHY do people fall / believe this stuff
Hang on - the point i would be thinking about is:
That is definitely not a legit site, so they are selling someting that does not belong to them, so they are con artists and would not get my money,
regardless of how i manage to convince myself that by paying something its ok.
quote:
Originally posted by wilkingj
Like most things on the Internet....
If it seems too good to be true.... It usually isnt.
There are NO free meal tickets in the world, and scammers are counted in their millions.
Why oh WHY do people fall / believe this stuff
quote:
I'm not saying that someone is going to come knocking on your door for downloading a few films but that doesn't make it legal. Distribution is clearly the greater crime that they will be going after.
lol I love how people fall for this stuff 
.
"we are legit because we say we are"
For future reference, most of the large scale criminal use of the internet occurs in Russia or using Runet - like the russian business network.
If you want to download legal music, films and software use HavenCo based suppliers from Sealand - thats legit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HavenCo
Also I would keep an eye on my credit card bill - because those people now have your credit card details
Copyright law is quite simple, it's the sharing of the data that's illegal. If you download it but don't share it back up to the
internet (which you have to do with Torrent and P2P sharing) then it's not illegal.
Where you get it from is irrelevant, and it doesn't matter what the web site says.
As others have said, ignorance is no defense. If it's a Russian site is bound to be dodgy, if it's iTunes then it's not, common sense
prevails.
I'd personally rather not give some dodgy Russian site (probably mafia run) lots of my hard earned when they don't own the copyright.
Slumdog is a prime example - knowbody is gonna believe they have the right to distribute it when it's not even out on DVD yet.
Jasper thats exactly the point I was trying to make, its safer from a legal point of view to download from this site than to use torrents or P2P. Torrents and P2P is filesharing, you are uploading something that is not yours at the same time as you are downloading it. That is why Donny's friend has had a threatening letter, it was filesharing not pure downloading
If you want to do pure downloading there are much safer and cheaper ways to do it, bearing in mind it's all a bit dodgy. I still don't like
the idea of give my credit card details and cash to a dodgy Russian web site.
Newsgroups are the way to go for superfast and safe downloading of movies, you pay a monthly subscription (about £10) and you can download pretty much
all you like. Takes a bit of getting your head around (like Torrents do) but really worth it once you do.
quote:
Originally posted by Jasper
If you want to do pure downloading there are much safer and cheaper ways to do it, bearing in mind it's all a bit dodgy. I still don't like the idea of give my credit card details and cash to a dodgy Russian web site.
Newsgroups are the way to go for superfast and safe downloading of movies, you pay a monthly subscription (about £10) and you can download pretty much all you like. Takes a bit of getting your head around (like Torrents do) but really worth it once you do.
Well, your choice mate ..... but there is no way they can have a license for a film that is not even out yet......
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Originally posted by Jasper
but there is no way they can have a license for a film that is not even out yet......
There's obviously no convincing you that this site is completely dodgy ..... if you want to see if a film is available to rent then check out Love Film, if it's not showing as available now on there (no coming soon) then it's not released...
Thanks, but what makes Love Film the oracle of released movies?
Their terms and conditions are almost EXACTLY the same;
"You acknowledge and agree that certain content on this Website and on discs provided to you is the property of third party licensors"
Its just that they are accredited and a lot larger than ZML.
Its not that there is no convincing, but i cant see anything that anyone here has said that proves otherwise, only opinion and speculation.
Only trying to help, you've made your own mind up already....
http://forum.mininova.org/index.php?showtopic=235005536&pid=344745&st=0
looks like ZML are borrowing aXXo torrents who is one of the biggest reliable film piraters out there. Odd how they can take an illegal rip of a film
and create a license for it.
Also interesting how ZML and MVL are based in the UK but are using Russian copyright laws?
quote:
Originally posted by Jasper
Only trying to help, you've made your own mind up already....
If anyone wants to use that site then its at their own risk isnt
it. I know i wont be risking it though
quote:
Originally posted by MakeEverything
Interesting read......
Ok, so the information in its terms of service are now out of date!!? lol
ooks like o need to find another film supplier after all!!
Just noticed this.
Basically, the site is legal. In Russia. Ish.
They pretty much work on the same premise as allofmp3, using old copyright laws/licensing more aimed towards radio stations etc, to allow them to
broadcast media to you.
Also, it's pretty likely they'll legitimately have very new movies, because russia is in dvd region 5, where dvds come out fast and cheap,
with little extra processing, to combat piracy.
However, the licensing they do use isn't recognised by pretty much anyone in the west.
Personally, I wouldn't touch them with an extremely long stick, they're no more legal than torrents/usenet, and don't offer the vast
range of stuff of other means of piracy.
And there is also the risk of iffy card processors etc, not saying that's the case, but it's worth using a disposable account for stuff like
this.
We've all said this already, but he won't be told