Ring
Ring!!
[Edited on 23/6/10 by FFTS]
Dingalingaling!!
Ding dong...
Unbelievable! The guy obviously knows nothing about registering a car and I presume the dude who did it was very aware he is breaking the law.
So, how do we warn prospective buyers without being seen to stick our noses in.
Or, do we notify DVLA thinking its a good idea and try and protect the already very complicated system getting even tougher?
Shame really although for that sort of money for a ZX12 car I'd be tempted to buy it and whak it through the IVA myself.
I've just sent him a message pointing out the possible issue - if it uses an MK chassis but is registered as a 1971 Dutton Sierra (which
is a completely different type of car) then it's a ringer and illegal.
He doesn't actually say it's still registered as a Dutton Sierra 
...
If he doesn't change the ad, maybe someone should report it to ebay, at least. It would be probably be difficult to get DVLA interested without a
reg no.?
Dodgy registration,
Dash is cr*p,
Gear linkage and interior shabby,
But I wouldn't mind his house / garden / garage!
Someone wants to get in touch, get the registation on the pretext of "seeing how much the insurance would be" - then bubble him to DVLA -
he's got enough dosh to take the hit!! 
The D.O.C. have told many authorities about many such ringers (as cheap Duttons seem to be the ideal candidate for ringing) and as yet I can't
seem to remember anything other than a "we don't really care" attitude coming from the Police,DVLA, etc., unfortunate to say the least
I may be going crazy but I'm sure this car, or another kit was being sold from this location (same background in the photos) about 12 months ago
as a ringer.
If so then I'm sure he's aware of the issues.
[Edited on 23/6/10 by cd.thomson]
quote:
Originally posted by cd.thomson
I may be going crazy but I'm sure this car, or another kit was being sold from this location (same background in the photos) about 12 months ago as a ringer.
If so then I'm sure he's aware of the issues.
[Edited on 23/6/10 by cd.thomson]
I asked and its registered on the V5 as a Dutton.....
Update - after I initially asked him a question, his reply was "It's a kit car!! i.e. made up of bits."
I sent back: "True, but it is supposed to be inspected (was SVA, now IVA) if the "new" car is made up of parts unless it uses the same
chassis. I know, as I built my own kit car and got it SVAd and registered myself. Details on the DVLA website
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_10014246, including "A vehicle will retain its donor
registration mark if either the original unmodified chassis or unaltered monocoque bodyshell and two other major components are used. If a new
monocoque bodyshell or chassis from a specialist kit manufacturer is used (or an altered chassis or bodyshell from an existing vehicle) together with
two major components from a donor vehicle, an age related mark will be assigned. The mark will be based on the age of the donor vehicle. An IVA, ESVA,
SVA or MSVA test will be required to register the vehicle.". If your V5C says Dutton Sierra then I'm afraid it's a
"ringer"..."
His latest: "It "rings" my bell by saving on road tax! To be honest I bought it like this and am selling it in the same way, I have
been absolutely clear about it. It is then up to the purchaser what he/she chooses to do."
i.e. he is knowingly selling it as a ringer. To me, his disclaimer "The car has been registered using a 1971 Dutton Sierra donor car so is exempt
from road tax, a useful saving per year. I am told that this is not uncommon with kit cars, it seemed reasonable to me when I bought it." and
saying it's up to the purchaser doesn't excuse it.
Anyone want to dob him in? I don't think I want to do it as I've already been in contact with him and he might send the boys round!
I think its wrong, he should have been shopped BUT as the car has apparently now sold the DVLA/VOSA/WHOEVER are probably just going to penalise the new (possibly naive and therefore innocent) owner rather than the corrupt seller. Shame.
Maybe the user name "Wayward Lad" should tell us something!!
The problem will be the new owner not being aware and then is unlucky enough to get stopped will pay a heavy price.
We all pay a considerable amount of money and time doing it right so it needs nipping in the bud IMO.
What heavy price would that be?
It's not a ringer, it's just not correctly registered, as long as this is allowed for in the price ie cheap then it's not a big deal is
it?
Cheers
David
Apparently someonr from the dutton owners club has allready reported it to e-bay... they said
"it's not our concern."
which is the way with most things.. this car no way could use the dutton sierra chassis as the car would be another 2 foot higher.. or have large
steel beams sticking out the top.
but until somone gets gets run over by it or killed, no one will care.. and then it's too late !!
It'll be a big deal to the new owner when it gets crushed.
quote:
Originally posted by Minicooper
What heavy price would that be?
It's not a ringer, it's just not correctly registered, as long as this is allowed for in the price ie cheap then it's not a big deal is it?
Cheers
David
quote:
Originally posted by Minicooper
What heavy price would that be?
It's not a ringer, it's just not correctly registered, as long as this is allowed for in the price ie cheap then it's not a big deal is it?
Cheers
David
could you still get it trough IVA using the V5 of the dutton and get a age related plate?
quote:
Originally posted by Werner Van Loock
could you still get it trough IVA using the V5 of the dutton and get a age related plate?
Definition:
A 'ringer' is a stolen car that has had its identification numbers replaced by a set from another - usually written-off - car, which
effectively changes the car's identity.
Buy the car cheap and put it through an IVA that's what I'm suggesting, nothing else
Cheers
David
quote:
Originally posted by Minicooper
Definition:
A 'ringer' is a stolen car that has had its identification numbers replaced by a set from another - usually written-off - car, which effectively changes the car's identity.
Buy the car cheap and put it through an IVA that's what I'm suggesting, nothing else
Cheers
David
I think the point is the car is not what it' registered as.
what if some-one stole the MK and then went throught the reg process using the Dutton. It may have been one of us loosing a car
Hanging is too good for the less than Honest bugger.
bubble him.
Denis.
Title belongs to the Dutton chassis, so its a RINGER! Stolen or not...
There's also avoidance of tax to think about.
Its all wrong!
Call the independent charity Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111
Think everyone needs to be very careful in their wording. Not saying it’s right, but there are many cars that have dubious origins – Looks at some the
of Ford rally car registrations from the 1970’s.
Few scenario’s for you to comment on:
1) If you bent your new tin-top and it was re-shelled also with new suspension components, should that keep the same registration?
2) Your 1980’s Westfield needed a new frame and at the same time as rebuilding you replaced the bodywork and upgraded the suspension, should this be
subject to and IVA?
3) You started out and built a Dutton in the 1970’s. The car has been constantly upgraded slowly over the last 30 years, so much so that none of the
original components remain – When does it stop being a Dutton?
I would love to gain everyone’s view on the above scenarios!
Until there is clear guidance from the DVLA – which will never happen as the changes required would be too large - this will continue to happen.
1. No, it should go to IVA
2. Yes
3. When it becomes an MK
quote:
Originally posted by coozer
1. No, it should go to IVA
2. Yes
3. When it becomes an MK
quote:
Originally posted by coozer
3. When it becomes an MK
Quite agree with you, other than scenario 3 – which although unlikely could happen.
Whereas, without casting aspersions of any kind, I can think of times where forum members have totalled their cars necessitating new frames, bodywork
and suspension and not one negative comment has ever been made when their car re-appears wearing the same registration number.
The only point I’m trying to make is that perhaps people shouldn’t be so quick to throw stones
Although legally theres little difference between a ringer and a fully rebuilt car I think in practice there is.
I'm definitely more comfortable with the thought that a car that has been through IVA has had its chassis swapped out after a prang than knowing
an untested car is on the road using the identity of a completely separate vehicle.
quote:
Originally posted by Shandylegs
Quite agree with you, other than scenario 3 – which although unlikely could happen.
Whereas, without casting aspersions of any kind, I can think of times where forum members have totalled their cars necessitating new frames, bodywork and suspension and not one negative comment has ever been made when their car re-appears wearing the same registration number.
The only point I’m trying to make is that perhaps people shouldn’t be so quick to throw stones
quote:
Originally posted by Minicooper
What heavy price would that be?
It's not a ringer, it's just not correctly registered, as long as this is allowed for in the price ie cheap then it's not a big deal is it?
Cheers
David
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