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16vmini - 7/3/06 at 06:19 PM

sorry new on here , but thought you guys might be intrested in cheap digital dashes from acewell ,


i run the 16v mini club , check out the group by thread on our site :

http://www.16vminiclub.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5148&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

can do the above dash for 99 pounds to your door.

Matt

craig1410 - 7/3/06 at 06:36 PM

Hi Matt,
I am very interested in a 3853 model but I need to know if it will work on an 8 cylinder Rover V8 engine. I couldn't see anything on the website at first glance which would confirm this - do you know if it will work?

Also, can you please confirm exactly what is or is not supplied. I believe from the website that you get the dash, a loom and a speed sensor and magnet kit. Is that correct?

I also understand it to be SVA compliant which is obviously very important for us Locost'ers.

If you can confirm it will work on a V8 then I think I will most probably have one (via Paypal).

Cheers,
Craig.

16vmini - 7/3/06 at 06:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by craig1410
Hi Matt,
I am very interested in a 3853 model but I need to know if it will work on an 8 cylinder Rover V8 engine. I couldn't see anything on the website at first glance which would confirm this - do you know if it will work?

Also, can you please confirm exactly what is or is not supplied. I believe from the website that you get the dash, a loom and a speed sensor and magnet kit. Is that correct?

I also understand it to be SVA compliant which is obviously very important for us Locost'ers.

If you can confirm it will work on a V8 then I think I will most probably have one (via Paypal).

Cheers,
Craig.


from what the supplier told me , it is SVA compliant, also you are right in what it includes.

i will find out tommorow if it works on v8 engines , is yours carb or injection ? as some ecu's have a rpm output.

Matt

flak monkey - 7/3/06 at 06:41 PM

Craig,

I bought one of the lower models a few months ago now.

You get the dash and all the wiring you need and a speed sensor as well. You need to supply your own fuel gauge sender though (standard 100ohm one IIRC).

Its SVA compliant as its backlit and keeps a record of total mileage which cannot be reset. Its also E marked on the back, not that that probably means a thing.

As for what tacho signals it will work with, mine has adjustment for 0.5, 1, 2 and 3 engine rotations per pulse.

See here for the instruction manual:
http://www.acewell-meter.com/images/ACE-37-38XX-EN-V4%20manual.pdf

Cheers,
David

[Edited on 7/3/06 by flak monkey]

16vmini - 7/3/06 at 06:43 PM

what s your view on them david ? install go ok ?

Matt

Aboardman - 7/3/06 at 06:45 PM

may be intrested for the mini i am restorting.

hope you do not mind i put the link on the minifinity site as somebody has been asking about digital dashes recently.

what is closing date for offer?


[Edited on 7/3/06 by Aboardman]

16vmini - 7/3/06 at 06:46 PM

not a problem , more the merry ! lol

Matt

flak monkey - 7/3/06 at 06:48 PM

quote:
Originally posted by 16vmini
what s your view on them david ? install go ok ?

Matt


Well I havent got it in my car yet, but i rigged it up to a battery and its a nice bit of kit. Had a fiddle with all the settings which is a doddle. The backlight is permanently on and bright, without being dazzling. The refresh rate on the speed is pretty quick as well, certainly an improvement over a normal bicycle speedo.

I would recommend them anyway.

I know there a few people on here who have actually got them installed on their cars, and on the road with them.

David

16vmini - 7/3/06 at 06:50 PM

cheers , thats good to know , as i have just convinced lots of people to buy one ! lol

Matt

TPG - 7/3/06 at 06:55 PM

Matt.I've u2u'd you about a 3853 but reading the link theres the 3150 without the warning lights,that you can get....It'll be one of these instead please.Thanks.

theconrodkid - 7/3/06 at 07:28 PM

what you peeps think about the 2853?

flak monkey - 7/3/06 at 07:32 PM

You want the 2851 if you want a 2 series one. Unless you need a neutral warning light for a bike engine!

I think the round ones are more suited to bikes and quads myself, but each to their own

David

craig1410 - 7/3/06 at 07:34 PM

David,
Thanks for the link to the user manual I think I am correct in saying that it should work on a V8 although I would appreciate someone confirming my logic:

V8 engine fires the ignition coil 8 times every 2 revolutions therefore 4 pulses per revolution (at the coil). That would rule out connecting the ACE dash directly to my coil as I would need the option to have 0.25 revolutions per pulse and 0.5 is the minimum.

However, each spark plug on the V8 fires only once every two revolutions (like most multicylinder engines) and so if I connect the ACE dash to one of the spark plug leads as shown in the manual then it should work fine.

Correct?

Cheers,
Craig.

COREdevelopments - 7/3/06 at 07:43 PM

hey 16vmini. when do you need the payment by as i am bit short at the mo. just bought a R1 clock hoping to get that set up, but now saw the one you selling and it looks simpler.

16vmini - 7/3/06 at 07:57 PM

quote:
Originally posted by COREdevelopments
hey 16vmini. when do you need the payment by as i am bit short at the mo. just bought a R1 clock hoping to get that set up, but now saw the one you selling and it looks simpler.


well at this rate i may place two bulk orders , i have a few others who dont get paid till the end of the month ... otherwise i may just order a extra couple and hope i can sell them later

Matt

16vmini - 7/3/06 at 08:04 PM

quote:
However, each spark plug on the V8 fires only once every two revolutions (like most multicylinder engines) and so if I connect the ACE dash to one of the spark plug leads as shown in the manual then it should work fine.

Correct?

Cheers,
Craig.


sounds good to me , allready have a order for someone who has a v8 , so i assume he has checked as well

Matt

gary gsx - 7/3/06 at 08:42 PM

Has any one got dimensions

the_fbi - 7/3/06 at 09:55 PM

I'll take a 3853 too. PayPal on its way

COREdevelopments - 7/3/06 at 10:38 PM

gary dimentions are 125 x 78 x28.5 mm
thats what it says on the acewell webpage http://www.acewell-meter.com/

craig1410 - 7/3/06 at 10:39 PM

Hi Matt,
Okay I've sent you a paypal payment for £105 for a 3853 and will U2U you the reference number so you can match the payment up with me here.

Thanks,
Craig.

tom court - 7/3/06 at 11:08 PM

got mine fitted at weekend will post som pic when i have time. looks cool

omega0684 - 8/3/06 at 01:33 AM

i take it that, if you install this then you dont need to have a bright 6 module?

flak monkey - 8/3/06 at 07:38 AM

quote:
Originally posted by omega0684
i take it that, if you install this then you dont need to have a bright 6 module?


You still need some warning lights that arent on that dash, namely a brake fluid level warning light, and an alternator/charge warning light. Hence why I went for a simpler dash with seperate warning lights (a bright 6 infact), cost about the same in the end. You can buy individual warning lights with the correct symbols on for about £3 each from people like VWP to add the missing ones.

Each to their own though

[Edited on 8/3/06 by flak monkey]

ch1ll1 - 8/3/06 at 12:53 PM

THEY ARE VERY GOOD
bought one about 6months ago
ideal for most engines
and very easy to wire up !

ch1ll1 - 8/3/06 at 12:54 PM

THEY ARE VERY GOOD
bought one about 6months ago
ideal for most engines
and very easy to wire up !

ch1ll1 - 8/3/06 at 12:55 PM

and very cheap at that price

craig1410 - 8/3/06 at 12:57 PM

Hi,
You mention the lack of alternator light and brake fluid level/handbrake warning lights but wouldn't it be possible to replace a couple of the lenses (ie. the Hazard light lens and Neutral Lens) with the appropriate lenses for alt and brakes?

I'm sure I am not alone in using the Sierra steering column and it has a hazard warning switch/light combined so I wouldn't need that repeated on the dash module.

I think VWP supply lenses which you can use to make up your own intruments and they were (IIRC) about the same size as the ones in the ACE dash.

Just a thought...
Cheers,
Craig.

Here is the page on VWP's website.

[Edited on 8/3/2006 by craig1410]

cryoman1965 - 8/3/06 at 10:30 PM

I am interested in this model, but can you get a sender compatible with this unit and if so where from?

nitram38 - 11/3/06 at 02:00 PM

Got mine today, very pleased.
Mine came with the lower 2 indicators in plain blue.
Can replacement lenses with different symbols be bought for these?

the_fbi - 11/3/06 at 02:03 PM

Got mine today too.
Same two lower ones blue too.
Not checked if the harness supports bulbs in these locations though....

nitram38 - 11/3/06 at 02:19 PM

quote:
Originally posted by the_fbi
Got mine today too.
Same two lower ones blue too.
Not checked if the harness supports bulbs in these locations though....


I have n,t taken mine apart, but I think that there are leds behind each lense, so you just need a lense change and to connect the correct wire?

nitram38 - 11/3/06 at 02:30 PM

Correction, just taken the lense/led apart. Not only do you need a lense, the led unit is a circuit board with only 3 leds.
The bottom one has the circuit board but no led.
The led is one of those micro types about 1mm X 1.5mm and looks like it should only be soldered on by a machine!
It looks like that in order to have all 8 indicators working, a change of the whole led set is required. It is a bit disappointing as the photo at the start of the thread and on the acewell website, shows 8.

16vmini - 11/3/06 at 07:22 PM

have i cocked somthing up ? very sorry if i have ??? are yours different to the picture ??? checked a few , they look ok ....

Matt

[Edited on 11/3/06 by 16vmini]

nitram38 - 11/3/06 at 08:00 PM

Mine is definitely different from the picture. On mine, both of the bottom lenses are blue and do not contain an led. To change them would require the lenses plus a lighting set with 4 leds.

16vmini - 11/3/06 at 08:07 PM

you are right , the pic shows 8 lights , bu the spec for the ACE3853 only should have 6 anyway .. so pic is wrong on there site . but the dash is correct to the spec

Matt

16vmini - 11/3/06 at 08:08 PM

i got the round one , that only has 6 leds on it....

Matt

the_fbi - 11/3/06 at 08:11 PM

quote:
Originally posted by 16vmini
you are right , the pic shows 8 lights , bu the spec for the ACE3853 only should have 6 anyway .. so pic is wrong on there site . but the dash is correct to the spec

Matt

Similarly on the boxes, there isn't actually a config shown with 8 lights, but the description to the left says "include 4-8 LED indicators".
Clearly this depends on model, although none have 8 according to the box. Actually none have 7 either.

I'm happy as I got what I ordered, its just not the same as the pics, but they didn't show all the configs so I knew that.

Thanks again for the swift delivery

craig1410 - 11/3/06 at 08:48 PM

I've not received mine yet but could one of you guys please tell me which 6 lenses are fitted to the 3853? Does it agree with the spec on the website? (ie. Indicators x 2 , main beam, hazards, oil pressure, neutral)

I must be honest, if I'd known (realised) this beforehand I would probably have just ordered the version of the dash without the lights. It's a bit naughty of the manufacturer to show a picture of a model that they don't appear to actually sell. I thought I was ordering the top of the range and hence the one in the photo.

Matt, these criticisms are not aimed at you as you were clearly acting in good faith so please don't take it personally. However, if I decide that I don't want to go down the road of modifying the unit to suit SVA requirements by adding in the missing led's & lenses, would it be possible to send you back the 3853 and have it replaced with an 3150? I would be willing to pay for the cost of posting it back to you (or direct to your supplier if that saved you the onward postage cost) if you or your supplier was willing to cover the cost of posting the 3150 dash out to me. Obviously I'd be looking for a refund of the difference in price too.

I'm not saying that I definitely want to do this yet as I will evaluate the possibility of adding in the extra LED's and changing some of the lenses (something I was planning to do anyway) but I would like to discuss the option of a swap in case it comes to that.

Cheers,
Craig.

ps. Whatever you decide, I guarantee we won't fall out over this - life is too short!

the_fbi - 11/3/06 at 09:18 PM

Craig:
Due to the way the unit is designed, the central part of the dash just "sits" inside the outer part which has the additional lights in it.

So if you don't want the extra lights, all you'd have to do is ship the extra lights to somebody who does want them and Matt just orders theirs without the lights.

The 2 are totally separate items and 100% interchangeable. Wires for each are separate too.

nitram38 - 12/3/06 at 02:45 PM

Matt any chance of ordering the 4 led light modules (X2) plus extra lenses from the manufactures?
I would really like to have all 8 lights working, even if the blue pair are only used as shift lights.

nitram38 - 12/3/06 at 02:46 PM

Matt any chance of ordering the 4 led light modules (X2) plus extra lenses from the manufactures?
I would really like to have all 8 lights working, even if the blue pair are only used as shift lights.

16vmini - 12/3/06 at 03:00 PM

will see what i can sort out.

Matt

nitram38 - 12/3/06 at 03:03 PM

Cheers Matt, I forgot to add that I will pay for them!

the_fbi - 12/3/06 at 03:07 PM

quote:
Originally posted by 16vmini
will see what i can sort out.

Matt

I'm interested too

ta
Chris

auzziejim - 12/3/06 at 03:19 PM

im interested in an ACE3150

please let me know how i can pay

also what sender is needed for the fuel level?

[Edited on 12/3/06 by auzziejim]

16vmini - 12/3/06 at 05:10 PM

quote:
Originally posted by auzziejim
im interested in an ACE3150

please let me know how i can pay

also what sender is needed for the fuel level?

[Edited on 12/3/06 by auzziejim]


u2u me for my address , or paypal me 63 pounds to paypal@16vmini.co.uk

TPG - 12/3/06 at 06:30 PM

Matt.Did my cheque get to you?I know you'll wait for clearance etc.Thanks.Richard.

16vmini - 12/3/06 at 07:00 PM

quote:
Originally posted by TPG
Matt.Did my cheque get to you?I know you'll wait for clearance etc.Thanks.Richard.


yep , order should be placed tuesday

Matt

auzziejim - 12/3/06 at 07:54 PM

just a quick question about these ACE units what do those who have already fitted them use for fuel a fuel sender?

nitram38 - 12/3/06 at 11:43 PM

You can use any sender that has a max level of 100 ohms. It can be a tube or float type.
If you are clever with electronics you could even make any electric sender work by adding resistors in series to increase resistance or use low resistors in parallel to reduce it to 100 ohms.

rwdmini - 14/3/06 at 09:59 AM

last group buy order was placed this morning ... i will be getting more stock in , but will sell them from my stock so no waiting , will cost a little more , but still allot cheaper than anyone else.

will let you know details soon.

thanks for shopping with me.

ps . 4 light cluster , they are looking into it , they do make them , just sorting that out.

craig1410 - 14/3/06 at 07:25 PM

Matt,
I received my dash yesterday so thanks for that. It's a nicely designed bit of kit for sure! Unfortunately the nice build quality and design would make it awkward to modify to accommodate extra lights as discussed previously.

On the 4 light clusters, I would be very interested in swapping my existing 3 light clusters for a pair of 4 light clusters if that was possible. I would accept some extra cost for this too as long as it wasn't too steep.

Ideally, to comply with SVA requirements for a car we would need:

1. Left Indicator tell-tale
2. Right Indicator tell-tale
3. Hazard warning light (not essential for me as I have a Sierra column and it has a light/button combined)
4. Oil Pressure Warning Light (not ess. for SVA)
5. Headlight Main Beam light
6. Fog light tell-tale
7. Alternator Charge light
8. Brake Fluid Level / Handbrake light

Obviously 1-5 are already present on the 3853 but 6, 7 and 8 are missing and I believe all of these are necessary for SVA requirements. I don't have the SVA manual to hand to check but I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

Let us know what you can arrange.
Thanks,
Craig.

flak monkey - 14/3/06 at 07:30 PM

An alternator charge light isnt an SVA requirment, but its handy.

You dont actually need a Hazard warning light either, assuming the indicator tell talle lights when the hazards are on.

Now you know why I stuck with a basic model and seperate bright6 module To be honest I didnt know of the complications of the higher models, and I already had a bright6. And its the way I would recommend for others to go. Which i think I did mention earlier in the thread....

David

[Edited on 14/3/06 by flak monkey]

craig1410 - 14/3/06 at 08:39 PM

David,
Yes I know what you are saying but I would prefer to have everything together if possible in one unit which is why I went for the 3853. Regarding the alternator charge light, I interpreted your earlier posting, where you said it was required, to mean that it was required for SVA. Sorry for the confusion.

On another subject, is anyone planning to mount their dash on the steering wheel itself? I'm not sure if the cabling would be a problem when the wheel turns or not and I guess there would be a bunch of SVA complications but I thought I'd ask anyway. I'll probably end up mounting mine just behind and above the steering wheel in the usual place.

Cheers,
Craig.

the_fbi - 14/3/06 at 08:48 PM

quote:
Originally posted by craig1410
I'll probably end up mounting mine just behind and above the steering wheel in the usual place.

And you'll update this thread with pics when you do, please

rwdmini - 15/3/06 at 02:08 PM

For the people that missed the group buy ,all the dashes are available now through my online shop : http://www.16vminishop.co.uk

thanks

Matt

TPG - 21/3/06 at 08:31 PM

Top stuff me dear.Landed today.It seems that just like everyone else on here,Matt is a fine Person to deal with.Thanks

the_fbi - 26/3/06 at 10:51 PM

quote:
Originally posted by rwdmini
ps . 4 light cluster , they are looking into it , they do make them , just sorting that out.


Any news on these?
Found out the 3808 uses the 8 LED surround we need.


16vmini - 5/4/06 at 03:14 PM

just for intrest , i have had no luck on those 4 light cluster , but they have started doing a 8 light dash , with a temparture gauge ! the 3915 :

got them on my shop : http://www.16vminishop.co.uk , afraid i have been told by the supplier to adjust my prices to the RRP , so cant offer any deals at the moment.

thanks

Matt

nitram38 - 5/4/06 at 05:37 PM

I'm a bit disappointed. The original photo showed the 4 light clusters and that what I thought I had bought.
Now they are available, I am left in no-mans land

the_fbi - 5/4/06 at 06:08 PM

quote:
Originally posted by nitram38
I'm a bit disappointed. The original photo showed the 4 light clusters and that what I thought I had bought.
Now they are available, I am left in no-mans land

You're with me though, so not all bad

Wonder if Acewell would sort this out themselves directly seeing as it is their website which misinforms. Its only a 50p PCB and a 50p bit of plastic after all.

16vmini - 5/4/06 at 06:50 PM

i was a bit gutted to find out they have just started one with a temp gauge , as i did ask them when i was doing the group buy. They said they where working on one , did not know it would be out this soon.

Matt

craig1410 - 5/4/06 at 08:47 PM

Yes I'm a bit disappointed about this because I too would have taken one with a temp gauge and 8 lights and been happy to pay a bit more as well. I've not started to fit my dash as yet so it is still in the packaging and in perfect condition. What's the chances of an exchange? Not great I don't suppose...

Above is not directed at you Matt, just sod's law I guess...ho hum!
Craig.

16vmini - 6/4/06 at 06:07 AM

the trouble is these dashes come from japan /hong kong .. somthing like that , and i can only get them through the UK supplier , when i email acewell directly they can hardly understand what i am saying lol will see what i can do though

Matt

Jasper - 14/4/06 at 02:14 PM

quote:
Originally posted by 16vmini
afraid i have been told by the supplier to adjust my prices to the RRP , so cant offer any deals at the moment.

thanks

Matt


You wanna tell him that's price fixing and not allowed under trading laws - RRP's are exactly what they say - 'Recommended Retail Prices'

the_fbi - 14/4/06 at 03:40 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Jasper
quote:
Originally posted by 16vmini
afraid i have been told by the supplier to adjust my prices to the RRP , so cant offer any deals at the moment.

thanks

Matt


You wanna tell him that's price fixing and not allowed under trading laws - RRP's are exactly what they say - 'Recommended Retail Prices'

The manufacturer is allowed to tell him what his published price is, or what it has to be "at least", (which I believe is what he was referring to, the price on his website), what he can't do is tell him the price to sell at.

16vmini - 14/4/06 at 04:53 PM

you can allwys PM me

16vmini - 14/4/06 at 04:54 PM

you can allways PM me

16vmini - 14/4/06 at 04:54 PM

you can allways PM me

craig1410 - 14/4/06 at 05:38 PM

I think I'm going to just get a Bright 6 module for my warning lights so if anyone wants to buy my warning light cluster to upgrade their AceWell dash then let me know and make me an offer. I'll advertise it properly on the For Sale section in the next few days. It's completely unused.

Cheers,
Craig.

nitram38 - 14/4/06 at 06:56 PM

quote:
Originally posted by craig1410
I think I'm going to just get a Bright 6 module for my warning lights so if anyone wants to buy my warning light cluster to upgrade their AceWell dash then let me know and make me an offer. I'll advertise it properly on the For Sale section in the next few days. It's completely unused.

Cheers,
Craig.


8 or 6 lights?

craig1410 - 14/4/06 at 08:27 PM

Assuming you are referring to my Acewell warning light cluster, it has 6 lights with the bottom two positions blanked off with blue lenses but with no bulbs fitted. Off the top of my head the lights fitted are:
Two indicator lights
Oil pressure light
Neutral light
Hazard warning light
Main beam warning light

Cheers,
Craig.