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graememk - 15/4/10 at 12:24 PM

>see old post

>I emailed the road saftey partner ship asking if you can park in a bus stop and got this reply.

Dear Mr Capps

It is an offence to park at a bus stop if the location is clearly marked as in the diagrams shown below as these are designated Bus Stands or Bus Stop Clearways.
Section 36 Road Traffic Act 1988 and Regulation 10(1) of the Traffic Signs Regulations 2002 state that no person driving a motor vehicle shall cause it to stop within the clearway at any time or during the period indicated on the sign. This sign is similar to a parking sign and will say 'No Stopping between (times) except buses' .
There are some exceptions to this which are:-
a) A bus being used in the provision of a local service stopped for as long as may be necessary to keep to the timetable (provided, in the case of a bus stop
clearway, the bus is not stopped for more than two minutes), or to enable passengers to board or alight from the bus, or to enable the crew of the bus to
be changed.
b) a Taxi to allow passengers to board/alight from the vehicle and load/unload their luggage.
c) a vehicle used for Fire, Police, Ambulance purposes.or
d) with the permission or direction of a police officer in uniform, a traffic warden or in special parking areas a parking attendant or
e) in circumstances outside the drivers control or in order to avoid injury or damage to persons or property, or
f) a marked post office or universal postal service provider vehicle collecting packets,
g) a trainee local bus service driver, or
h) in connection with building/demolition or excavation or removal of obstruction to traffic, road maintenance or repair, cleaning, maintenance of street furniture, or works connected with the main utilities.

If the bus stop is not marked as shown in the diagrams below then the above offence will not be committed. There is no offence of simply parking at a bus stop other than at a marked Bus Stand or Bus Stop Clearway.
There may still be a parking offence committed if the vehicle is parked on a road that has parking restrictions such as yellow lines. If there are no lines it would then be a case of proving that the vehicle was causing some sort of obstruction.

I hope I have answered your question.
Regards
XXXXXXX
Casualty Reduction Manager


> I then sent the photo and got this replay

Dear Mr Capps

Thank you for the photograph, Whilst the driver is not actually committing an offence as the bus stop is not marked correctly
as a clearway it is not acceptable for our vehicle to park in that position. It does not present a very good image of either the police or the
Lincolnshire Road Safety Partnership. We have very strict guidelines as to where and how our operators should park their vehicles.
Each enforcement location is assessed and the parking area allocated. This vehicle should have be on the grass at the side of the
shelter clear of the footpath and out of the way of any pedestrians.
I have spoken to the driver and he has been advised accordingly.

Thank you again for bringing this to my attention.

[Edited on 15/4/10 by graememk]


balidey - 15/4/10 at 12:28 PM

quote:

I have spoken to the driver and he has been advised accordingly


Yes. Yes thats exactly whats happened. Honest.

EDIT: well done for following up on that. Now send it to the papers

[Edited on 15/4/10 by balidey]


02GF74 - 15/4/10 at 12:29 PM

They almost got away with it but for you meddling kids.




Your name is now on the list.

[Edited on 15/4/10 by 02GF74]


coozer - 15/4/10 at 12:29 PM

Tossers..


sucksqueezebangblow - 15/4/10 at 12:31 PM

Well done!!!

Se what I mean about them standing out by parking in odd places; "This vehicle should have be on the grass at the side of the
shelter"


handyandy - 15/4/10 at 12:39 PM

well done on following this thru

So, does this then mean that any "speeding" tickets taken by this van are now null & void?
In my opinion they should be cos that van is as bad as someone speeding......inappropriate consideration of the road / conditions / awareness etc.

as usual.........1 rule for "them" different rules for "us" ....

cheers
andy


Agriv8 - 15/4/10 at 12:43 PM

what do we reckon river operators on a bonus?

Ps I read 'We have strick guidline's ' so how come they parked in the wrong place.

PPS they will soon be redundant as more and more point to point specs gatso are rolled out

Regards

Agriv8


carpmart - 15/4/10 at 01:19 PM

Good job following this up!

Agree that you should send it to the local rag!


scootz - 15/4/10 at 01:25 PM

Good on ya...


richardh - 15/4/10 at 01:33 PM

nice one!


graememk - 15/4/10 at 01:53 PM

i've just emailed the local council to let them know that there is an error in the road markings.


thunderace - 15/4/10 at 01:54 PM

"This vehicle should have be on the grass at the side of the
shelter "

it is not legal to park on the grass also.


scootz - 15/4/10 at 01:58 PM

Is it not... ?


stevebubs - 15/4/10 at 02:10 PM

quote:
Originally posted by scootz
Is it not... ?


I don't think parking on the grass is illegal.

Driving over a raised curb, however, I believe is...


stevebubs - 15/4/10 at 02:16 PM

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:lMaBpMtd23sJ: www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/vehicles/vssafety/regulationsforselfbalancings4565+1835+Highways+act+%22drive+on+the+footway%22.&cd=1&hl=en&ct=cl nk&gl=uk


adithorp - 15/4/10 at 02:30 PM

Isn't the van exempt under exemption c of those regulations?

What is it about where the van is parked that makes breaking the speed limit OK?


graememk - 15/4/10 at 02:36 PM

quote:
Originally posted by adithorp
Isn't the van exempt under exemption c of those regulations?

What is it about where the van is parked that makes breaking the speed limit OK?


i dont think anyone has said breaking the speed limit is ok, just that the van is parked in a bus stop and thats just wrong, bearing in mind the van has a designated area just infront of the bus stop, but by parking there the van is hidden behind the fence.


omega0684 - 15/4/10 at 05:27 PM

err, i may have found a loop hole

quote:
Originally posted by graememk
Dear Mr Capps

It is an offence to park at a bus stop if the location is clearly marked as in the diagrams shown below as these are designated Bus Stands or Bus Stop Clearways.
There are some exceptions to this which are:-

c) a vehicle used for Fire, Police, Ambulance purposes.



Is catching people speeding not seen a police purpose then?

[Edited on 15/4/10 by omega0684]


graememk - 15/4/10 at 05:32 PM

the point is that just infront of the bus stop is designated standing for the camera van, and the van was parked so it was hidden behind the railings.

the van was parked dangerously, making it blind for bus's puling out and the mirror of the van was hanging over the road waiting to take out the next child on a bike, hardly fitting for a saftey van...

however you look at it its naughty


omega0684 - 15/4/10 at 05:35 PM

point taken, cheeky Bar-Stewards!


Paul TigerB6 - 15/4/10 at 06:36 PM

quote:
Originally posted by balidey

EDIT: well done for following up on that. Now send it to the papers



......... and stand by to see how many people appeal their tickets.


Paul TigerB6 - 15/4/10 at 06:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by omega0684
Is catching people speeding not seen a police purpose then?





Not in those vans it isnt - as far as i'm aware. They're operated by the road safety partnership by police officers outside of their normal working hours (on overtime) and so not officially a police matter.


austin man - 15/4/10 at 09:05 PM

Sed it to the paper they should be obliged to lift the fine as they are clearly in the wrong. A similar thing happened in my village, local paper informed it made front page Police agreed to withdraw fines " if the accused contested" so any none local caught would have been fined


blakep82 - 15/4/10 at 11:03 PM

you should email him back, saying you'd like to know the outcome of the full investigation that will no doubt follow.
inform the police also lol


mangogrooveworkshop - 15/4/10 at 11:09 PM