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F#£$ing Rover!
stevebubs - 22/3/05 at 10:09 PM

Just had a nosy round a mate's Rover 400 ('97 1.6)- his auxiliary belt has snapped.

To put a new belt on, it looks like you need to:
Loosen the power steering pump belt and remove
Remove the lower engine mount
Put new belt on an tension up
Replace lower engine mount
Replace Power Steering pump belt and retension.

What a pallaver for a belt running the alternator and aircon!

Mark Allanson - 22/3/05 at 10:16 PM

Above all it a Rover

britishtrident - 22/3/05 at 10:18 PM

The splash gaurd might have to dropped also.
Dosen't take long, bigest fiddle is the belt adjuster on the alternator belt. And figuring out how the adjuster on thr PAS pump works.

These poly vee belts rarely break so it usually isn't an issue.

jollygreengiant - 22/3/05 at 10:23 PM

Just be glad its only 1 belt, 2 pulley's and 1 tensioner.

Oh and don't over tighten the centre locking nut on the tensioner cos that breaks/sheers the stud part of the rest of it. (been there, done it. oops.)

Enjoy. ( i am now going to bed with a lemsip and the flu.)

stevebubs - 22/3/05 at 11:21 PM

quote:
Originally posted by britishtrident
The splash gaurd might have to dropped also.
Dosen't take long, bigest fiddle is the belt adjuster on the alternator belt. And figuring out how the adjuster on thr PAS pump works.

These poly vee belts rarely break so it usually isn't an issue.


Go on, then...any hints welcome on this as it's a job he's asked if we can tackle tomorrow...Had a quick play with the PAS adjuster mechanism. I'm guessing the square-headed bolt rotates and moves the pulley in it's sleeve. However, loosening this bolt doesn't seem to have any effect...the pulley is still locked in position.

Oh...and whacking the adjuster has just cracked the plastic pulley so he needs a new one of those, too now. Grrr...

stevebubs - 23/3/05 at 08:03 PM

Job done now...what a pallaver for a simple job...

Danozeman - 23/3/05 at 10:17 PM

Thats nothing. My fiesta is a right arse.. You should see the belt on the new transit. its 9ft long!!

stephen_gusterson - 23/3/05 at 11:18 PM

try changing the front two plugs on a jag v12 - you have to take the aircon out and its about 2 hrs.

changing the starter motor needs the steering rack dropped and one exhaust removed.


atb

steve

clbarclay - 24/3/05 at 07:57 PM

Had to do the cambelt on a 200 with 1.6 honda.

Had to remove all you stated at begining, plus the ancillery pulley. needs special tool making to hold pully firm.
All the time not knowing if the engine was trashed inside. The cam belt had bust whalst doing 70 down motorway.

[Edited on 24/3/05 by clbarclay]

flak monkey - 24/3/05 at 08:49 PM

I *think* on the old pug 206 diesel you had to drop the engine out to change the cambelt....or so i was told. Could be boll%^s though

[Edited on 24/3/05 by flak monkey]

4bturbo - 24/3/05 at 09:16 PM

ha!! thats nothing..
to change middle plug on the n/s side bank of my TT v6 I have to take the flipping turbo and manifold off !!!
So that gets changed regular (NOT)

clbarclay - 24/3/05 at 10:06 PM

quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
I *think* on the old pug 206 diesel you had to drop the engine out to change the cambelt....or so i was told. Could be boll%^s though

[Edited on 24/3/05 by flak monkey]


The 1.7/1.9 as fitted to pugs/citreons etc. then not quite. but it needs most of thefront wheel arc removing.

Family had a BX TDI that died becuse the cambelt was left on 80 miles too long, didn't have time to change it last time it was at home. The result was that the cambelt bust, along with the camshjaft, valves, pistons the list goes on.

Simon - 24/3/05 at 10:49 PM

Not to anyone in particular, but.....

So you slag off Rover but then brag that

Fiesta
Jag
Honda
Peugeot
Citroen
Audi

are worse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ATB

Simon

flak monkey - 24/3/05 at 10:53 PM

I think Rovers are great cars...but thats just my opinion. The engines are also very good, and no where near as bad (unreliable) as people make out. (also IIRC 105ish BHP from a standard 1.4 K series and it weighs about the same as my little finger...)

jollygreengiant - 24/3/05 at 11:23 PM

Sorry to dissapoint you all but the worst belt (cam belt) to do has got to be the Fiat 2.0 turbo coupe.

The ONLY way to do it is engine OUT ----- About 12hrs According to the book!

Enjoy.

Simon - 25/3/05 at 12:02 AM

12 hours at (guess for dealer) £70/hour

£840

Mind you, 12 hours and it'd have rusted away anyway, leaving just an engine to work on

ATB

Simon

stephen_gusterson - 25/3/05 at 12:51 AM

rovers wont last the life of a cam belt anyway simon



atb

steve

nicklondon - 25/3/05 at 07:29 AM

I watched a bloke do a passat cam belt, just to get to the front of the engine he removed the whole front of the car in one piece

madforfishing - 25/3/05 at 08:47 AM

Myself and my brother in law did the cam belt off my '98 Audi A4 and it is the same principle as the Passat (probably same car, no doubt). IMO it was far easier than the norm faff you have having to work in such tight spaces. Granted it was on his drive, middle of the night, in Inverness, in December, about zero degrees C.

Simon - 26/3/05 at 01:21 AM

Steve,

Me thinks you may be trying to wind me up

Git

Finished the Morgan or the bike yet?

ATB

Simon

britishtrident - 26/3/05 at 07:48 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Simon
Not to anyone in particular, but.....

So you slag off Rover but then brag that

Fiesta
Jag
Honda
Peugeot
Citroen
Audi

are worse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ATB

Simon


Add any Fiat model and those BMWs with alloy blocks that got knackered bores in 30,000 miles normal use,

britishtrident - 26/3/05 at 07:54 AM

quote:
Originally posted by flak monkey
I think Rovers are great cars...but thats just my opinion. The engines are also very good, and no where near as bad (unreliable) as people make out. (also IIRC 105ish BHP from a standard 1.4 K series and it weighs about the same as my little finger...)


Ditto had 3 Rovers in the last 10 years that I sold with over 180,00 miles on the clock , I know one went on to do 270 thousand before it died due to being vandalised after the new owner ran out of fuel in the middle of a sink council estate. My curent Rovers are only at 89k, 91k and 38k.

[Edited on 26/3/05 by britishtrident]

theconrodkid - 26/3/05 at 09:24 AM

jgj,thats only on the 5 pot version,did a head rebuild on a 4 pot turdo,saved £1000 in parts by getting them from fiat in italy!and simon,they are all galvanised so dont rust any more,unlike my transit

JoelP - 26/3/05 at 10:33 PM

on the subject of rust, the boot on my k reg sierra has rusted through! its only 12 years old... i leant on the rubber bit (where it shuts) and it all fell out

Mark Allanson - 26/3/05 at 10:46 PM

More on rust, the very last of the escorts are terrible, I have replaced sills of several T and V reg ones, but only 5 doors (perhaps they never made 3 door ones that late?)

Snuggs - 26/3/05 at 11:08 PM

JUst sold my R reg 5door escort.
It was a Cat C writeoff 5 years ago and was repaired with 2 s/hand front wings and bonnet. Hammered out and bodged at the rear and a repaint where needed.

There was NO rust on it when I sold it.

andyps - 26/3/05 at 11:37 PM

quote:
Originally posted by jollygreengiant
Sorry to dissapoint you all but the worst belt (cam belt) to do has got to be the Fiat 2.0 turbo coupe.

The ONLY way to do it is engine OUT ----- About 12hrs According to the book!

Enjoy.


That is what Fiat tell you. There are a few specialist around who can do it in a lot less without taking the engine out. I took mine down to Powerfiat in Essex and they took about 3 hours to replace the cambelt and all the auxiliary belts and the water pump. Charge £399 for the full job.

Not worth trusting a Fiat dealer with anyway!

stephen_gusterson - 27/3/05 at 07:54 PM

who me

as ive said in the past, ive owned several BL / rover - inc a metro turbo id did up over 6 years (my project car should take about as long too!) - just dont fancy one of the current outdated crop.

and yes............ my winter project, the bike is just about finished!!!!!!!!

just gotta get the front brake fitted and working, and sort out a carb problem, and its in for its MOT.

ive had to order a carb overhaul kit from someone in the usa as it seems to have sticking float valves on one of the carbs, and one of the others seemed to be flooding a tad too.

had to get a bulb for it from my local kawa dealer yesterday - first bit ive got from a dealer (ebay most stuff) - i bought one of these bikes brand new in 1977 - its strange to go into a dealer and they have no idea what bike your talking about!

will bore people with pics in a few days when its all done.

no cambelt to change tho

just as well - everything else in the engine that moves (apart from box) is brand new. the 330 quid crank rebuild make my eyes water a bit.......


atb

steve








quote:
Originally posted by Simon
Steve,

Me thinks you may be trying to wind me up

Git

Finished the Morgan or the bike yet?

ATB

Simon



[Edited on 27/3/05 by stephen_gusterson]

andyharding - 30/3/05 at 10:18 AM

From an FTO owers club website...

Mitsubishi FTO V6:

Has different plugs with different service intervals on either side of the V. You have to take the inlet manifold off to get the plugs out on one side.

Crazy Japs

Simon - 30/3/05 at 10:06 PM

Steve,

Look forward to seeing the pics.

One advantage to doing up an old bike is it can be done on the living room floor

ATB

Simon