I just wanted to know how many people support each side (sorry you can't choose both even though i know you wouldn't want too!)
so what will it be?
A poll, very disappointing. I thought that was a challenge, a real grude match, between the two sides. 1 trackday, 10 BEC's, 10 CEC's.
0-60, 1/4 miles, quickest lap etc etc.
Points for reliability, reversability, speed, number of gears, rev limit.
Mike
maybe one day! if someone wants to take on setting something like this up?
im finding my bike engine completely inappropriate for road use, its just too quick to be safe, and too hard to drive slowly. With a car engine it was
much more sedate, you could actually drive legally with a little effort. Thats unfortunately out of the window now. I was blitzing down a road the
other night and came across 3 cars going slowly (ie at the speed limit), was contemplating just whizzing past all three flat out, but decided id had
enough irresponsible driving for one day. Lucky call, as the rearmost one was a marked police car! Still rather embarassing as i slowed onto his
bumper from a red line overrun
So on the whole, i find it rather depressing, as im sure to kill myself soon 
btw, i voted bec anyway, we all know why we're here 
[Edited on 6/4/06 by JoelP]
sounds like a BEC would be fun for the first month but then you'll want a nice long rest for a month?!
i guess its simp[le to say BEC's for tracks and CEC's for cruise and road. I have only had a ride in a BEC. how fast is standard 2.0 pinto CEC 0-60?
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Originally posted by iscmatt
how fast is standard 2.0 pinto CEC 0-60?
thats not bad as standard - for £250 lol
bike engine, if it's too fast for ya get rid of it!!
haha (nice car btw!)
Errrr.... both but not girly 4-pot cec
looks like the CEC's are going to 'drive' away with it
Thanks for the compliment James....... I assume a read it correctly, you like the sound of BECs as they go by............
Personally, 5th year driving BECS and still love em, can see the reasoning behind a CEC for road use though, but i ain't reached the fed up point
yet, cant see it happening either.......
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Originally posted by hicost
I use BEC to start my motor!
They do sound nice though...
As you go by...
But I think I will sit on the fence..
depends how old you are, Im 26 and I would have nothing other than a bec, 7's are designed to be driven hard, if you want to poodle around buy a hilman imp!
im gona hang out for the cec variety
at the recent westie weigh in a fairly standard megabusa came in at 520kgs (i know this can be a lot lighter). my fairly standard Vx westie came
in at 535kgs. ive got 215bhp, the busa 170
power to weight ratio is king and the bec's just dont have it.
at the ne7ers trackday there were a number of bec's and cec's. i was following cooooooose down the back straight (hes got a light R1
striker) and was lifting all the way down to stop burying it into the back of him. at that trackday there were a number of quick cars, they were all
cec.
personally i dont rate the bec as either a trackday car or a road car. they just dont have enough power
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Originally posted by hicost
....... there both as much fun...
but would you do the GOME in a bec?
Busa turbo running 580bhp at the wheels try and tell me thats not quick!! went out in holeshots its like a missile!
with a cec you always seem to be changing gear and bouncing of the rev limiter, becs are good for corner entry and exits, tight back roads, and gear change, BUT you need some serious bec power to keep with a good cec on a long straight, the only advantage with a bec is you get a good start out of a bend, becs do seem to go better than what they do.
GOME?
WHY WOULD'NT I??
i KNEW THAT WAS COMING, WHEN IS IT??
JUST CONVERTING FROM BIRD TO BUSA POSSIBLY TURBO, SO IF ITS READY I MIGHT JUST BE THERE, ONLY JUST REALIISED WHAT YOUR RUNNING, NEVER MIND BETTER TO
REGRET SOMTHING YOUVE DONE THAN SOMTHING YOU HAVENT, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A RIDE IN YOURS JUST COMPARE _ YOU NEVER KNOW I MIGHT DITCH THE BEC!( NEW I
SHOULD HAVE READ THE LINK PROPERLY!!)
[Edited on 6/4/06 by dilley]
Ive had both,
x flow westie great for road use cruising round on summer nights and still plenty of power to kick the sh1t out of the boy racers when you need to.
BEC now ive got an R1 indy, bloody brilliant frantic acceleration good handling (same as a CEC) and fearsome sound. good for track days and motorsport
but you wouldnt want to drive to the south of france in one and back..................you pays your money and you takes your choice.
i wish i could decide!
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Originally posted by skydivepaul you wouldnt want to drive to the south of france in one and back.
quote:
Originally posted by oioi
at the ne7ers trackday there were a number of bec's and cec's. i was following cooooooose down the back straight (hes got a light R1 striker) and was lifting all the way down to stop burying it into the back of him.
maybe he was stuck in 3rd or summat like that
well i have now had both
carnt comment yet on bec (but up to now it great) as only just got it running
why dont you just have both !
week daycar ( cec)
weekend car (bec)
sorted
[Edited on 7/4/06 by ch1ll1]
i thought of 2 things what is our goal?
Building an cruise car? or Building a sportscar?
Every sportscar revs sow i build a Bec. When i have to do a long distance trip i maybe come back from the statement.
But i won a sportscar.
Both engines can make serious huge power. Its just how much money you trow at it.
But the BEC will always win in the corners and on acceleration.
CEC vs BEC for me its like compraing an diesel car and a petrol
You want / like revs or you don´t.
back to watch mode...
Tks
I wouldn't get too hung up on power. Get the chassis/brakes/steering sorted and make the car easy to drive and you will always be faster than someone who struggles to put the power down and has to fight the car. If trackdays have taught me anything it is that to be fast you need to get the corners right and learn how to out brake the next bloke. CEC seem to be easier to drive and more forgiving to being in the wrong gear at the wrong time.
Hi shurley this is a personel thing as to what you prefer. Just looked at the 750mc results to see if there was a staggaring difference in performance
as the bec guys seem to think. Results.
donnington taken at random from last years results page.
RGB- front runners 1.17-1.19 180-200bhp
kits- front runners 1.22-1.23 155 bhp
locost f/runners 1.30-1.31 85bhp
Question is what happens when you put 200 bhp in to a cec easily down to the same times as the bec lads but i dont have the offical times to prove
that.
each to there own preference there is no big advantage.
cheers matt
slightly different scenario, but when nationalsupersports was still going vauxhall engined cars always beat hyabusa engined radicals. club &
prosports and sr3's that were about at the time. Either on same power to weight ratio (with ballasting). I only once recall an unballasted (read
high power/weight) prosport with a breathed on 1500 hyabusa coming past a vauxhall engined car and thats cos the guy fluffed it out of the hairpin
leading to the banked corner at rockingham.
Ned.
ps that particular driver has since sold the radical for a v6 cec!
[Edited on 7/4/06 by ned]
I have a bike so don't feel the need for the sound and sequential box of a BEC. When I build it'll be a CEC as I plan to use it mostly on
the road anyway.
If I just wanted a track day tool I'd build a BEC.
I have a CEC, but like BECs as well - we need a 3rd option in the poll!
David
3rd option diesel???
the Third option should be an RX7 or RX8 engine..
because they also rev and make huge power.
Tks
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Originally posted by Jon Ison
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Originally posted by skydivepaul you wouldnt want to drive to the south of france in one and back.
I would/did/have/would again along with plenty of others.
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Originally posted by iank
3rd option diesel???
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Originally posted by procomp
donnington taken at random from last years results page.
RGB- front runners 1.17-1.19 180-200bhp
kits- front runners 1.22-1.23 155 bhp
locost f/runners 1.30-1.31 85bhp
£ for £ this qoute puts it into prospective...............
Before the RGBs went out the Roadsports Championship had their qualifying session. The Roadsports Championship is an eclectic mix of sports cars,
including Nobles, Porsches, a Morgan +8, a TVR Tuscan etc. At the front of the grid the cars will be costing well in excess of £50,000, and yet the
pole winner (Noble) wouldn’t have made the top three in RGB! Furthermore, the third quickest Roadsports runner in a Noble M12 would have qualified
fifteenth in RGB!
This does illustrate just how quick the RGB cars are, and whilst no one will ever say motorsport is cheap, the RGB Championship does represent
incredibly quick and competitive racing for the money.
As others have said, it all depends on what type of car you want, and where you're gonna use it.
I've had a BEC, loved it for a while, then got frustated with any kind of distance driving, so I'm now build a 280bhp cec which will
outperform my 140bhp bec for sure.....
i intend to build a zx12 bec soon for tracking, but eventually i will build a much larger 3 seater with a large v8, ideally the audi lump I think
the bike engines are justa whim for me.
I cant, I'm still in mid life crisis.........
I have always wanted too fit a rotary though, even back in my off road days, maybe one day it will happen........
i'd swap my bec for hicosts or chris masons in a flash
HI jon yep thoes times for kits where for the class b zetec 155 bhp cars as the v8 with 300 bhp cant hang on at the corners so overall is no quicker
as said a 200 bhp cec will stay and leave the 220 bhp busa of charsley when he was testing.
2.0 zetec 200bhp
+£750 g/box = £3000
220 bhp busa = ?
But its still a personal choise cec or bec . I just think that the guys with a bec think there is a much bigger performace gain when there isnt at
kit car level.
cheers matt
I have heard from a racing driver that around the track after 70-80 mph the car engined cars do pull away faster.
I have no experience with bec's and have decided to build with a 200 bhp zetec.
Car stripped down I would expect to come in at less that 600kg
thats ( I think ) 300 bhp per tonne?
I would expect 0-60 to be down in the 5's and top speed of around 140 -150
that's pretty good going.
One reason I did go this route though as a direct hit on bec cars is that the car enigined route ( even a modern engine such as the zetec) is much
cheaper.
i.e. I bought a mondeo 2l for £140 with a blowing head gasket head skimming was £80 and I've ported it myself which gets me up to approx 170-180
bhp
All thats left to buy is cams at £200 and enigine managment at £300 Oh and the 40's were £100
That's £800 for a good enigine. All the fireblade engines I've seen are around £1000 and a hyabusa would be £2000 min.
Just my view.
Rgds
Roger
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Originally posted by iscmatt
(sorry you can't choose both even though i know you wouldn't want too!)
so what will it be?
We got to do some tests with some 1.6-2.0 CEC and mid range BECs. Some 0-60, 30-70, 50-80mph figureE etc
Nothing stupid like busa turbos - cause if i turboed my zetec it would be 285bhp and we could go on for ever!!
Anyway CEC or BEC??!?
I went on price- i didnt want to fork out £1500 for a R1 and £700 for a reverse box so went CEC and now im really glad i did!!!
Even though i still thought a car engined car will and would be much faster especially around the 70-100MPh mark- i think bike engines sound/seem
faster and have more a thrill to them- thats why people think they is a difference- and i just dont think there is in some cases!
But is there anything better than a 4cly grunt from Tbs or webbers..... i think not
So i got a £300 2.0 Zetec and despite want to keep costs low so far on engine ive spent in the region of £2.5k nearly oops sumthing went wrong
there!!
lets face it both are great
However dont underextimate a cec and what torque can do
My 232hp Vauxhall engined MK would i imagine 'worry' most bec's
quote:
Originally posted by tks
the Third option should be an RX7 or RX8 engine..
because they also rev and make huge power.
Tks
quote:
Originally posted by mk_xe
lets face it both are great
However dont underextimate a cec and what torque can do
My 232hp Vauxhall engined MK would i imagine 'worry' most bec's
quote:
Originally posted by David Jenkins
I have a CEC, but like BECs as well - we need a 3rd option in the poll!
David
I'm a relative newbie to locosts, but I chose to go with a BEC, although I don't necessarily think they're better. You could pretty
easily get a CEC to the same performance as a BEC, so performance wasn't really too much of an issue. There are plus points for both CECs &
BECs, I just think BECs are a bit different and a bit more interesting. I agree with mk_xe, they're both great