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handyandy - 7/7/09 at 06:48 PM

with all due respect to M.Jackson...............

is it me or do i not "get it"????????

i,ll explain...............

as no doubt some of you may be watching the memorial service on TV, i,m not but its on in the background,
all the artists doing songs in his memory is all very touching & the people who are speaking about him, claiming he did this & that etc etc , the one comment i found to be slightly unnecessary was the words " for the good of black people" ?????????????

he changed his colour thru surgery & medication but yet all the talk is about the colour of someones skin.

i find this both confusing( as he changed his colour) & distastful , the loss to the "music" world is surely a greater loss.

or am i missing something?

i am not making this out to be a racist thread but in my opinion some of the speakers in the memorial service are doing this themselves.

may he rest in peace.

andy


200mph - 7/7/09 at 06:51 PM

there are several things that are at best ironic and at worst hypocritical - I don't think you're alone there andy

He's been in my life more since his death, simply because you cannot get away from radio stations playing his songs over and over and over again!


tegwin - 7/7/09 at 07:03 PM

That ceromony is a very sterotypical American thing to do isnt it....

Its just weird and I dont get it either... And if anyone else harps on about how its gods will this and gods will that.... il.... il........ turn the TV off and go take a cr@p!


JoelP - 7/7/09 at 07:06 PM

fully agree andy and well put. All i can say is that minorities have been the victims of racism for a very long time, so its more real for them than it is for any given majority (ie western white). So whilst we can all try to move on, i suppose its harder for them to forget about it.

I doubt they intended any offense really., and thats what counts really.


balidey - 7/7/09 at 07:11 PM

Our (and by that I mean the general ignorant public) perceptions of people change when they die.

Elvis, he really went down hill at the end, but we remember the King of Rock and Roll

Dianna, a trollop who did a bit of charity work (other people arguably did 100x more than her) yet she died, and she's a saint.

Jade Goody, racist, thick cow, yet she died and really she wasn't like that, she was the most caring mother in the world.

Jacko, wasn't he the freak that was supposed to be a kiddy fiddler? No, sorry, my mistake, he was the multi talented person that shaped pop music over the past 20 years and helped us all in our times of need.

I can't wait for Max Mosley to die, because I bet he was working on a cure for cancer.

All the above to be read with the irony I intended. The sort of irony dripping all over the jackson tribute show


tomprescott - 7/7/09 at 07:16 PM

I'll be honest, I don't understand wacko fans at all, I find his songs really dull and a bit nauseating, and as for his personal life - I think its clear he was a messed up individual. I have no respect, only hatred for peadophiles (alleged or otherwise) regardless of how many people they may have positively affected through their careers.


steve m - 7/7/09 at 07:27 PM

OMG

is he actually dead ??????????

I wonderd why every other record on the radio was a MJ one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


steve m - 7/7/09 at 07:27 PM

OMG

is he actually dead ??????????

I wonderd why every other record on the radio was a MJ one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


steve m - 7/7/09 at 07:27 PM

OMG

is he actually dead ??????????

I wonderd why every other record on the radio was a MJ one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


steve m - 7/7/09 at 07:27 PM

OMG

is he actually dead ??????????

I wonderd why every other record on the radio was a MJ one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


steve m - 7/7/09 at 07:29 PM

But dont worry, as we are waiting for "thriller" to come on

and if that coffin opens what a hoot !!


handyandy - 7/7/09 at 07:30 PM

and i thought i was the only one that
"doesn,t get it "

thanks guys, you,ve made me feel like i,m not so thick after all

i,m not a Jacko music fan but i thought this memorial would be the last TYPE of memorial he would have wanted, its as if he was a saint, holyier than thou & all that, convicted or not of some very dubious goings on in his life but yet the memorial is making out he was the male version of Mother Teresa

my thoughts are ........ he didn,t enjoy being the colour he was, so he changed it.

or do the so called friends of him not realise this???

andy


Steve G - 7/7/09 at 07:34 PM

Dont forget - in both the USA and GB, racism only seems to work one way. If they had said "for the good of white people" - there would be riots about it from all the non-whites. Its no different over here from what i see. Any crime against an Asian or Black and immediately its assumed there must be a racist motive. Bunch of Asians attack a white lad and its just lads fighting.

Sorry but i am sick of hearing the race excuse used all the time. We saw it with Obama - how many times were they mentioning he's half white?? Black when it suits it seems to me. As above - why not say its a loss to music??

Rant over.... i'll crawl back under my rock now


GrumpyOne - 7/7/09 at 07:34 PM

I'll bet there are a few kids in the world glad he has gone.

OMG did I say that out loud


GeorgeM - 7/7/09 at 07:52 PM

quote:
Originally posted by steve m
But dont worry, as we are waiting for "thriller" to come on

and if that coffin opens what a hoot !!


Glad I'm not the only one who was waiting for
that, was waiting for Jeremy Beadle to introduce
him ....

GeorgeM


eddie99 - 7/7/09 at 07:55 PM

He didnt want to be white......

He had some bad skin infection which affected pigments of his skin....

He had surgery to cover this, it wasnt because he didnt want to be black...

Anyway i thought he was quite tallented but deffinately was messed up at certain stages of his life although he had a messed up childhood so i dont think its his faught.

Ed


David Jenkins - 7/7/09 at 08:24 PM

I sort-of agree - he ended up weird, freakish and totally messed-up. A combination of a strange upbringing and the crazy star culture in the US of A - and possibly some tendency to instability.

Some of you may be aware of the Private Eye letters page, and the way they put photos of two similar looking people and put the names the wrong way around - one or two of the photos of MJ looked a lot like Jack Nicholson as The Joker, but I didn't have sufficient bad taste to find the pair of photos... no, that's a lie... I couldn't be bothered...


dave1888 - 7/7/09 at 08:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by GeorgeM
quote:
Originally posted by steve m
But dont worry, as we are waiting for "thriller" to come on

and if that coffin opens what a hoot !!


Glad I'm not the only one who was waiting for
that, was waiting for Jeremy Beadle to introduce
him ....
Now that would be neat, J B is dead as well

GeorgeM


dave107 - 7/7/09 at 09:21 PM

What a load of ignorant people you are, you are talking about someone's son, brother and father, have some respect, let him rest in peace.

Do any of you have children, if you do you should bear in mind that it might be your very young children attending your funeral one day.

Now get on with building your cars and keep these tasteless disrespectful comments off this forum.

This is not from Dave 107 but from his very angry wife!!!


mangogrooveworkshop - 7/7/09 at 09:27 PM


handyandy - 7/7/09 at 09:35 PM

quote:
Originally posted by dave107
What a load of ignorant people you are, you are talking about someone's son, brother and father, have some respect, let him rest in peace.

Do any of you have children, if you do you should bear in mind that it might be your very young children attending your funeral one day.

Now get on with building your cars and keep these tasteless disrespectful comments off this forum.

This is not from Dave 107 but from his very angry wife!!!


did i not put "may he rest in peace " on the first post of this thread i created????????

i do not take kindly to being called "ignorant"

andy


Steve G - 7/7/09 at 09:40 PM

quote:
Originally posted by dave107
What a load of ignorant people you are, you are talking about someone's son, brother and father,


Very sorry but it appears his family are milking his death for every single cent they can get out of this from what i've seen today so personally I think your comments coming on here attacking people for ignorance are way out of line!!


GeorgeM - 7/7/09 at 09:48 PM

quote:
Originally posted by dave107
What a load of ignorant people you are, you are talking about someone's son, brother and father, have some respect, let him rest in peace.

Do any of you have children, if you do you should bear in mind that it might be your very young children attending your funeral one day.

Now get on with building your cars and keep these tasteless disrespectful comments off this forum.

This is not from Dave 107 but from his very angry wife!!!


Afraid I lost all respect for MJ years ago, he was
a brilliant musician who turned into a freak.

I do feel sorry for his kids though - not their fault.

If it makes you feel better; RIP the original MJ


Minicooper - 7/7/09 at 09:48 PM

Have I missed something I thought the whole thing was free of charge?

quote:
Originally posted by Steve G

Very sorry but it appears his family are milking his death for every single cent they can get out of this from what i've seen today so personally I think your comments coming on here attacking people for ignorance are way out of line!!


Steve G - 7/7/09 at 09:57 PM

The tickets were definately free via an online draw. Not sure about the TV rights though - anyone?? What wont be free is all the millions of spinoff albums that i'm sure will come from this, and i've little doubt the Jackson will make a fortune in the next few months on the back of MJ's name / death. He was undoubtedly a genius of a performer and overshadowed the rest of the family. Seems its thrown them back into the limelight and i cant see them not taking advantage of it

quote:
Originally posted by Minicooper
Have I missed something I thought the whole thing was free of charge?

quote:
Originally posted by Steve G

Very sorry but it appears his family are milking his death for every single cent they can get out of this from what i've seen today so personally I think your comments coming on here attacking people for ignorance are way out of line!!


JUD - 7/7/09 at 10:08 PM

Loads of talent, not done a lot recently, odd upbringing, bit mixed up, died, sad - move on.

A more cynical man that I would say that it was to hype up some upcoming re-releases, or to fuel merchandising sales - but that would be a more cynical man....

Whole thing is a circus...


Steve G - 7/7/09 at 10:15 PM

More cynical man will be me then!! ^^^^^

Very sad yes - so many "stars" are losing the plot to greater or lesser an extent (Mariah Carey, Britney Spears and Lindsay Lohan seem to have all been adversely affected by fame). MJ lost it more than anyone and its clear that he never got to lead a "normal" life at all so not surprising at all. As said - very sad but time to move on.

quote:
Originally posted by JUD
A more cynical man that I would say that it was to hype up some upcoming re-releases, or to fuel merchandising sales - but that would be a more cynical man....

Whole thing is a circus...


JoelP - 7/7/09 at 10:36 PM

quote:
Originally posted by handyandy
quote:
Originally posted by dave107
What a load of ignorant people you are, you are talking about someone's son, brother and father, have some respect, let him rest in peace.

Do any of you have children, if you do you should bear in mind that it might be your very young children attending your funeral one day.

Now get on with building your cars and keep these tasteless disrespectful comments off this forum.

This is not from Dave 107 but from his very angry wife!!!


did i not put "may he rest in peace " on the first post of this thread i created????????

i do not take kindly to being called "ignorant"

andy


i think the ignorant part refers to those with snide/disrespectful comments.

+1 to daves missus from me anyway.


JoelP - 7/7/09 at 10:39 PM

his estate benefits his mother, children and certain charities, as he wished. No reason at all why they would not continue to benefit from his legacy in future. If you died and left a money spinner for your family, you'd want them to keep earning from it wouldnt you?

quote:
Originally posted by Steve G
The tickets were definately free via an online draw. Not sure about the TV rights though - anyone?? What wont be free is all the millions of spinoff albums that i'm sure will come from this, and i've little doubt the Jackson will make a fortune in the next few months on the back of MJ's name / death. He was undoubtedly a genius of a performer and overshadowed the rest of the family. Seems its thrown them back into the limelight and i cant see them not taking advantage of it

quote:
Originally posted by Minicooper
Have I missed something I thought the whole thing was free of charge?

quote:
Originally posted by Steve G

Very sorry but it appears his family are milking his death for every single cent they can get out of this from what i've seen today so personally I think your comments coming on here attacking people for ignorance are way out of line!!



Steve G - 7/7/09 at 11:25 PM

Yes - but would at least hope they wouldnt be milking the limelight before i was even in the ground

quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
his estate benefits his mother, children and certain charities, as he wished. No reason at all why they would not continue to benefit from his legacy in future. If you died and left a money spinner for your family, you'd want them to keep earning from it wouldnt you?

quote:
Originally posted by Steve G
The tickets were definately free via an online draw. Not sure about the TV rights though - anyone?? What wont be free is all the millions of spinoff albums that i'm sure will come from this, and i've little doubt the Jackson will make a fortune in the next few months on the back of MJ's name / death. He was undoubtedly a genius of a performer and overshadowed the rest of the family. Seems its thrown them back into the limelight and i cant see them not taking advantage of it

quote:
Originally posted by Minicooper
Have I missed something I thought the whole thing was free of charge?

quote:
Originally posted by Steve G

Very sorry but it appears his family are milking his death for every single cent they can get out of this from what i've seen today so personally I think your comments coming on here attacking people for ignorance are way out of line!!




RK - 8/7/09 at 02:23 AM

I think he had a sad life. Nobody would have paid half the attention they did to him if he hadn't bought the Beatles catalogue from under Paul's nose. Let's face it, the man was a goblin.


Rod Ends - 21/7/09 at 11:26 PM

The wackiness continues!

quote:

Detroit -- Two hearses jammed with stuffed animals left in memory of Michael Jackson
were given a two-car police escort Friday to the toys' burial at Woodlawn Cemetery,
leaving police officials highly critical of the decision afterward.