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omega0684 - 2/9/09 at 05:23 PM

ok have been looking for a diesel car to buy, ideally a 1.9 or 2.0 tdi, i want a car that will have the umph when needed but is respectively economical, so im after your suggestions please. will be doing a daily commute of 50 miles to and from work, would like something with a bit of style but not essential, budget is 6K.

cheers


jack_t - 2/9/09 at 05:37 PM

1.9 grande punto in white stage 1 remap bout £200 good for 165 hp and alot of torques 70-140 in bout 13 seconds


55ant - 2/9/09 at 05:37 PM

golf tdi, and i dont even own one!


MikeR - 2/9/09 at 05:46 PM

i guess you got the job well done.

I quite like my focus 2.0 tdci.130 horses. i've actually done 81mpg (reset trip as i got to the motorway, drove at 58mph behind lorries from london to nuneaton). Done a 70mph drive from nuneaton to wigan up the m6, including stop start and got 61mpg.

Will hoof it and it moves (fuel gauge and speedo).

Bit 'lardy' for throwing through corners but its the ghia model which has soft suspension.

Should be cheap to insure and buy as well.


ashg - 2/9/09 at 05:46 PM

i have got a vauxhall signum. its the elite model. it has everything 1.9cdti engine 150bhp out the box. every electrical gadget you can think of/ sat nav/ electric memory/heated/cooled seats, auto fold and tint mirrors, full closure alarm/ abs esp etc etc fridge in the boot/ dvd player...........................

but the best bit is that it had 29,000 miles one owner full vauxhall service history fro the grand sum of 5.5k

oh and it does 55mpg and is almost the size of an estate.


Danozeman - 2/9/09 at 05:49 PM

Vw passat tdi. 1.9 tdi 130. Plenty of ooomph nice to drive well spec'd and plenty of room. My mates estate gets 65mpg on a run and 50 ish about town.

Chipable to 170 aswell.

[Edited on 2/9/09 by Danozeman]


blakep82 - 2/9/09 at 05:50 PM

quote:
Originally posted by MikeR
i guess you got the job well done.



yeah, well, did you?!


RichardK - 2/9/09 at 06:02 PM

I do rather like my Octy vrs, well did you get the BP job then mate?

Cheers

Rich


britishtrident - 2/9/09 at 06:03 PM

A decent BMW 3 series is probably outwith this price range but you can still some lowish mileage Rover 75 and MG ZT Diesels around -- saw a mint 40k mile post face lift for 4 grand a couple of months back. Rover used a different turbo from that BMW fitted to the 3 series so the BMW diesel is more reliable in the Rover.

The Avensis diesel is also picking up a following

My opinnion of the Ford Mondeo tdci diesel is not good -- avoid.


omega0684 - 2/9/09 at 06:09 PM

i have a feeling i may have one of the places at BP, ive had 2 phone calls from the recruitment agency asking about salaries etc and my contact says that i was one of the strongest candidates they put forward, i am just forward thinking at the moment, im almost certainly going to need a bigger and more economical car if i do get it, my 1.2 corsa has done 102,000 miles now and its very close the the end of its life, i reckon that the 50 mile commute will end up killing it.

i like the look of the octavia VRS's its a case of whether i can stomach driving a skoda!


RichardK - 2/9/09 at 06:24 PM

I know what you mean about the Skoda image but I do think the vrs's aren't tarred with that brush at all now.

When you're inside and driving you wouldn't know you're in one, very nice and in standard trim 170 horses and allegedly if you get it superchipped takes it to nearly 200 obviously I wouldn't do such a thing to a lease car

Nice cars though imo

Cheers

Rich


tomgregory2000 - 2/9/09 at 06:25 PM

any of the VAG group with the 1.9 PD engine fitted!!
Banging engine
Last forever as long as the oil is changed when it should be
Oh and get the waterpump changed when you get the cambelt done everytime as the blades leave the shaft sometimes


speedyxjs - 2/9/09 at 06:25 PM

quote:
Originally posted by omega0684
i like the look of the octavia VRS's its a case of whether i can stomach driving a skoda!


Just think of it as a cheaper, better looking passat


Davey D - 2/9/09 at 06:32 PM

Vauxhall astra estate 1.9cdti. plenty of oomph at 150bhp (can be remapped to 200bhp) and loads of space in the boot


MikeRJ - 2/9/09 at 06:40 PM

quote:
Originally posted by speedyxjs
quote:
Originally posted by omega0684
i like the look of the octavia VRS's its a case of whether i can stomach driving a skoda!


Just think of it as a cheaper, better looking passat


Even though it's based on the Golf?


nick205 - 2/9/09 at 07:01 PM

Has to be a Seat Leon TDI Cupra/FR.

1.9TDI with 150 bhp.

Easy 55mpg on a run and 45+ round town.

Very good value and easy to live with - docile as a lamb when you're cruising and a good punch when you're in the mood.

By far the best looking of the VAG bunch too IMHO.


maartenromijn - 2/9/09 at 07:11 PM

I have a 2001 Volvo V40 td, (1.9 commonrail, intercooler). Perfect car. Does 5 liter/100km (= abt 44 mpg??).

For commuting, every day use and towing trailers, I do not want a petrol car anymore!

edit: I drive around 45K a year

[Edited on 2/9/09 by maartenromijn]


coozer - 2/9/09 at 07:16 PM

quote:
Originally posted by nick205
Has to be a Seat Leon TDI Cupra/FR.

1.9TDI with 150 bhp.

Easy 55mpg on a run and 45+ round town.

Very good value and easy to live with - docile as a lamb when you're cruising and a good punch when you're in the mood.

By far the best looking of the VAG bunch too IMHO.


Have to agree on the Seat, fast standard and there was warmed up one at Croft Monday that was quite fast.


BenB - 2/9/09 at 08:17 PM

I've got a 1.5dci megane. Does 66mpg on a motorway run and 53-54mpg around town. Suprisingly speedy when you consider it's only got 105Bhp... And dirt cheap highway robbery- £35/yr.

French so seriously soft suspension. No good for fast driving but round here we've got shite roads with big pot-holes and speed-bumps aplenty.

Does the job for me anyway....


thefreak - 2/9/09 at 09:33 PM

I've got a 2000 x plate Golf 1.9 GT TDI for sale if you're interested? Even comes with a 1 year warranty. 12 months MOT, 6 months tax, FSH and recently serviced too.
Averages 50mpg all day every day.


omega0684 - 2/9/09 at 09:58 PM

how many miles can a modern diesel do? (obviously if you look after the engine etc)

150k? 200k?

[Edited on 2/9/09 by omega0684]


trikerneil - 3/9/09 at 04:07 AM

I've just got rid of my 220,000 mile 1.9 TDI Passat, the engine is still great but the suspension is falling to bits again.

Neil


thefreak - 3/9/09 at 06:40 AM

The engine will outlast the car most of the time
If you look after the car as well as the engine, you're looking well over 200k easily.


nick205 - 3/9/09 at 07:32 AM

quote:
Originally posted by omega0684
how many miles can a modern diesel do? (obviously if you look after the engine etc)

150k? 200k?

[Edited on 2/9/09 by omega0684]



Back to the Seat Leon - I covered 100k miles in 3 years from new and didn't show it a great deal of sympathy either. Never missed a beat and still felt good as new when it went back to the lease co. 10k mile oil services (cam belt @ 70k IIRC). IMHO it would comfortably have done another 100k miles.


MikeRJ - 3/9/09 at 08:34 AM

quote:
Originally posted by omega0684
how many miles can a modern diesel do? (obviously if you look after the engine etc)

150k? 200k?


Modern common rail engines are less reliable than the older mechanically injected engines. Turbos (variable geometry), high pressure electronic injectors, high pressure fuel pumps and dual mass flywheels are all complex, failure prone and expensive parts.

And MAF sensors of course, probably the single most common failure on modern diesels.

[Edited on 3/9/09 by MikeRJ]


cd.thomson - 3/9/09 at 08:46 AM

the ford technical department quoted me 100k miles on the 1.4tdci engine without an oil change or any failures when they bench tested it so the modern engines aren't much worse than the older ones.

on a side note, the bloke i spoke to (about putting a zetec-s tdci engine into my 1.4 ghia fiesta) was very helpful and very interesting!

eta: mine hit 130k on a heavy remap and 12 monthly oil changes before it needed a new clutch and the aux belt was squeeking. I only got rid of it because my parents were after a new car (part-exed mine) and everything else apart from the engine broke on it!

[Edited on 3/9/09 by cd.thomson]


britishtrident - 3/9/09 at 02:39 PM

I share MikeRJ's view on this

The latest common rail diesel engines are potential money pits --- they go wrong at much lower mileages than old school diesels and when they do go wrong it is usually expensive.

Renault diesels should be avoided at all costs, if the oil hasn't been changed frequently enough or anything other than fully synthetic oil used they have a habit of the tiurbo disintegrating and chucking bits into the inlet manifold --- causing thousands of pounds worth of damage.

The latest Ford diesels need to be plugged into the Ford dealer computer network if just about any component is replaced on the engine. Fit a new injector and it will run only in limp home mode until the ecu is connected to the net and the bar code used to retrieve info from Fords master server.

Some versions of the BMW diesel in BMW cars and the Freelander are known to suffer from turbo vane problems at high mileages (version used in the r75/MG ZT has a different turbo dosen't suffer from this).