A few blatently lifted off the BBC webpage today...

Republicans understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child.'

'If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.'

'The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history. I mean in this
century's history. But we all lived in this century. I didn't live in this century.'

'Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?'

'Laura and I really don't realise how bright our children is sometimes until
we get an objective analysis.'

'Welcome to Mrs Bush, and my fellow astronauts.'

'I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and democracy
- but that could change.'

'I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family.'

On the California power cuts: 'The crunch really is the result of not enough
power-generating plants and then not enough power to power the power of
generating plants.'

'It is clear our nation is reliant upon big foreign oil. More and more of our
imports come from overseas.'

'I am mindful not only of preserving executive powers for myself, but for
predecessors as well.'

'Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream.'

'There's no such thing as legacies. At least, there is a legacy, but I'll never see it.'

'I understand small business growth. I was one.'

'I hope the ambitious realise that they are more likely to succeed with
success as opposed to failure.'

'Will the highways on the internet become more few?'

Trying to describe his brand of compassionate conservatism: 'I've got a record, a record that is conservative and a record that is compassionated.'

'Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children.'

'I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future.'

'I am not part of the problem. I am a Republican.'

'When I have been asked who caused the riots and the killing in LA, my answer
has been direct and simple: Who is to blame for the riots? The rioters are to
blame. Who is to blame for the killings? The killers are to blame.'

'A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls.'

'It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in
our air and water that are doing it.'

'I don't know whether I'm going to win or not. I think I am. I do know I'm
ready for the job. And, if not, that's just the way it goes.'

'I am a person who recognises the fallacy of humans.'

'One of the great things about books is sometimes there are some fantastic
pictures.'

'Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things.'

'One word sums up probably the responsibility of any Governor, and that one word is "to be prepared".'

'Drug therapies are replacing a lot of medicines as we used to know it.'

A foreign policy priority: 'Keep good relations with the Grecians.'

'One of the common denominators I have found is that expectations rise above
that which is expected.'

'Well, I think if you say you're going to do something and don't do it,
that's trustworthiness.'

'They said: "You know, this issue doesn't seem to resignate with the people."
And I said, you know something? Whether it resignates or not doesn't matter
to me, because I stand for doing what's the right thing, and what the right
thing is hearing the voices of people who work.'

'I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully.'

'We'll let our friends be the peacekeepers and the great country called
America will be the pacemakers.'

'I think we agree, the past is over.'

'We cannot let terrorists and rogue nations hold this nation hostile or hold
our allies hostile.'

'The senator (John McCain) has got to understand if he's going to have he
can't have it both ways. He can't take the high horse and then claim the low
road.'

'The most important job is not to be Governor, or First Lady in my case.'

'We're going to have the best educated American people in the world.'

On campaigning in New Hampshire: 'The important question is, How many hands
have I shaked?'

'I would have said yes to abortion if only it was right. I mean, yeah it's
right. Well no, it's not right. That's why I said no to it.'

'A tax cut is really one of the anecdotes to coming out of an economic
illness.'

'We have a firm commitment to Nato; we are a part of Nato. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe.'

'I will have a foreign-handed foreign policy.'

'Kosovians can move back in.'

'Actually - this may sound a little West Texan to you, but I like it. When I'm talking about - when I'm talking about myself, and when he's talking about myself, all of us are talking about me.'

On his controversial visit to South Carolina's Bob Jones University, where interracial dating is banned: 'The policy on interracial dating, I mean I spoke out on interracial dating. I spoke out against that. I spoke out against interracial dating. I support the policy of interracial dating.'

On the death penalty: 'The only things that I can tell you is that every case I have reviewed I have been comfortable with the innocence or guilt of the person that I've looked at. I do not believe we've put a guilty... I mean innocent person to death in the state of Texas.'

'When I was coming up, it was a dangerous world, and you knew exactly who
they were. It was Us v. Them, and it was clear who 'Them' was. Today, we are not so sure who the 'They' are, but we know they're there.'

# Some of these quotes are taken from George W. Bushisms, The Slate Book of The Accidental Wit And Wisdom Of Our 43rd President, edited by Jacob Weisberg (Fireside, £4.99).

Him and Prince Phillip should start a business together. They could keep a small printing firm busy with their gaffes.

George Bush.

A man depriving a village somewhere of its' idiot.


As posted earlier I think this has to move here!

And this fool is in charge of the most powerfull nation on earth,mind boglingly scarey
Cheers,
Bob

4 more years..4 more years.....

Or we could have two more ambulance chasing trial lawyers at the helm...

Kafer,

Just out of interest have you seen Fahrenheit 911?

Was just wondering what you thought of it?

Cheers,
James

Won't pay money to see it, when it's on cable....maybe....

You see I'm an avid shooting sports enthusiast, and after the fraudulant manipulation Mr. Moore used in "Bowling for Columbine", I'm sure I couldn't sit thru 911 without becomming physically ill.

Moore uses heavy editing and misdirection to make his movies show his point of view.

Case in point....

In "Columbine" several views of a Charlton Heston NRA speach were quickly switched thru, stinging together a dialog that was scarely, even to a gun lovin' American like myself. The thing is Moore used several speaches clipped together, out of context, show a pre-planned end.

Over 911 Moore is currently being sued by a news paper in Bloomington for changing the headling for use in 911.

From a news story online....

BLOOMINGTON, Ill. -- Filmmaker Michael Moore's Bush-bashing documentary "Fahrenheit 9/11" has apparently upset more than Republicans. The Pantagraph newspaper in Bloomington said Friday it sent a letter to Moore and the film's distributor, Lions Gate Entertainment Corp., asking for an apology for using what it said was a doctored front page in his movie.

The paper is seeking $1 in damages.

A scene early in the movie shows newspaper headlines related to the contested 2000 presidential election. It includes a shot of The Pantagraph's Dec. 19, 2001, front page, with the prominent headline, "Latest Florida recount shows Gore won election."

And Moore got an award for his "Documentry"

Going to see farenheit 9/11 tomorrow - I will let you know. I am a fan of Michael Moore.

I'm no particular fan of GWB, but he's more honest and trustworthy than the French-smelling alternative!

James,

Yes, I have seen it. I've also forced my way thru his books "Stupid White Men" and "Dude Wheres My Country"...........

I think he's an idiot.

Fletch,

I think W is at least sincere. The gaffes are inconsequential, being magnified and perhaps even partially invented by a hostile liberal press. Unfortunately, he is a big-government guy, which I don't like, and a big-business guy, which I don't like either.

Big government and big business have screwed the country over the years by allowing excessive imports to mask the fact that we have been taxing and spending ourselves to death. Now we have lost our industrial base. This has happened without regard to who has been in the White House the past 30 years. Ross Perot had it right, but unfortunately he only succeeded in splitting the conservative vote.

WRT the terrorist thing, I think it's impossible to over-estimate the sneakiness of the parties involved. On 9/11, the telephones at the control tower of the Cleveland airport were barraged with calls as a distraction while Flight 93 was being redirected overhead. This is just an example of how the terror network is better entrenched than most people could imagine. I think W's silence on these matters is because our intelligence in the Arab community is fragile. Oh, yes, please add 'uncontrolled immigration' to the sins of government previously noted.

I also do not think that deposing Saddam was an error. Arabic society is essentially tribal, and the groups will fight each other unless united against a common enemy. IMO, Saddam was setting himself up as a strongman in the ME, with the US (ntm Western civilization) as the bad guy, and had to be taken out. Now we are mired in the infighting between various groups who are generally hostile to the US. I believe that Iraq's WMDs are presently in Syria.

I only buy gas from British Petroleum, which at least gets its oil from the North Atlantic. If it were up to me, the costs of building and maintaining roads would be 100% financed by fuel taxes, and let gas go to $5 per gallon. Much as I like cars, the drain of $100+ billion in fuel imports is killing our economy. Best to put the costs where they belong, so that consumers can make rational choices.

I'm hardly even ****ing started. Don't get me going on the Democrats and Congress

[edit] Just checked an assertion about oil supply, and it turns out that some info I had received some time ago about BP not buying in the ME was bollox. Looks like I'm a Sunoco and Shell man now!

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/summary2003.html

[Edited on 7/8/04 by pbura]

why did you read TWO of his books then?



atb

steve

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Originally posted by thekafer
James,

Yes, I have seen it. I've also forced my way thru his books "Stupid White Men" and "Dude Wheres My Country"...........

I think he's an idiot.

Fletch,

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As an observer from closeby -- I don't envy your choices.

The Bush administration is every bit as scary as Michael Moore would like us to believe, actually, that's not entirely fair, Bush is pleasant and innocuous, Cheney and Ashcroft give me the willies.

Kerry is not the best choice the Dem's could have made. That whole "electability" thing got in the way of rational thought.

I honestly believe you guys need a bastardized combination like McCain/Dean -- a real leader to deal with the "heavy lifting" and a progressive to temper him.

Never happen, but...

Cheers, Ted

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Originally posted by andkilde
Cheney and Ashcroft give me the willies

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Steve,

I read two of his books and saw the movie to hear his side.........he IS an idiot!!....and a hypocrite of the first order....

I do cringe when I here Bush give a speach.....but I know what he is saying...

I do not agree with Bush on our wide open borders...Texas border patrol caught 73 "imigrants" on the banks of the Rio Grand, 51 yes 51 of them were middle eastern males...One of them was a known terrorist and had been in and out of the US 174 times!!!!

I want some leader to realize this IS world war! Not someone who is content to sit back and enjoy the JIHAD on CNN....

Radical Islam hates Europe as much as it does the US!!! (Something about a Christian crusade and emperialism)

Read Bin Laden's letter to the western world and then go see that idiots movie!!

Saddam DID have a nuclear weapons program. And it was largely funded by the "Oil For Palaces" agreement.

I wish Swartzcoff was running!!!

sorry, I'm ranting Fletch

[Edited on 7/8/04 by thekafer]

I felt compelled to reply to this thread,

But have decided against it because politics and religeon (for me) should have no place on a forum such as this, the only outcome from either is arguments and ill feeling.

Its saturday night, i is getting pissed and no longer care.

i agree with the above, mostly. Mr Bush is cringe worthy when talking (you cross your fingers that he wont forget what he's saying!) but his heart is largely in the right place. Ditto saddam and his weapons, too many x-files type conspiracy fools who want to believe he never had them - wake up! he used chemical weapons years ago.

Ditto Mr moore, he makes a good program, but like most people nowadays he is trying to paint a picture of his own views, very few sources of info are impartial. None maybe?

And the crusades, indeed, did start this whole affair cos some tossers, in the name of christianity, went head banging. Its nice to know our arrogant idiotic ancestors started it, isnt it!

Many people in the ME do hate the west, believeing we hate them. And to some extent, we do! cos they hate us, and we see them celebrating mass murder in the streets, like a mob of barbarians. But that too is an image painted by the Bad News networks...

so, as we all know, we are stuffed whatever happens, whoever wins whatever election, cos hate is the seed of hate. And theres no shortage of plowed fields out there...

i did too, and deleted it afterwards

atb

steve

ps

donald rumsfeld seems like the 'shoot first, think second' member of the usa govt.

colin powel seems 'stable'

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Originally posted by Viper
I felt compelled to reply to this thread,

But have decided against it because politics and religeon (for me) should have no place on a forum such as this, the only outcome from either is arguments and ill feeling.

Its saturday night, i is getting pissed and no longer care.

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the bush administration frightens me on many levels. I know several intelligent americans and all of them loathe him. If bush gets elected again, I really will despair.

Steve, I saw that post, and prepared most of an answer

I thought your points were well-considered, and I'm not averse to discussing world-view type stuff here. Car builders seem to be an open-minded lot who reason things out for themselves. A good forum, I think, for any topic.

Pete

It was deleted cos

1. i didnt want to create a big political debate (hope this doesnt!)

2. In retrospect, I dont know enough about the politics of the USA to form an accurate opinion on all the points you made.


I do however think that if bush put as much effort into sorting out a palestinian state as Iraq, a lot of 'american hatred' would subside.

atb

Steve

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Originally posted by pbura
Steve, I saw that post, and prepared most of an answer

I thought your points were well-considered, and I'm not averse to discussing world-view type stuff here. Car builders seem to be an open-minded lot who reason things out for themselves. A good forum, I think, for any topic.

Pete

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I did see Farenheit 9/11 on Saturday and found it very informative. I don't want to get into a political debate, but on the basis the film reports facts (albeit from one side) it is something everyone should see - at least it helps to balance the "official" views somewhat.

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Originally posted by stephen_gustersonI do however think that if bush put as much effort into sorting out a palestinian state as Iraq, a lot of 'american hatred' would subside.

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Please read this THIS for a real wakeup call about what we are dealing with.

-- Did you read that? - Please do!

I wrote a long essay myself about this issue, but decided to not post it because it's simply counterproductive to fan the flames with my car building buddies from across the pond. Let's just agree to disagree... And I'll go place my vote for Bush. :-)

I think if you polled the Americans on this board you would find a majority pro-Bush?

good link steve. Anyone else can read it, without registering, username joelp password 123. Saves a bit of tossing around...

http://www.newsbalance.com/Documents/A_view_from_the_eye_of_the_storm_by_HAIM_HARARI..htm


If you search on his name, loads of links to that document come up.


Im not saying I dissagree or agree with any ot it.

Just that its possible to find documents on line justifying any cause you wish to promote or believe in. This explains Mr Harari's view.


atb

steve


PS

Take this following document with a huge pinch of salt - I dont recon bush spoke about goats ! (and thats only a minor part of this!) Apart from the lack of a educated name to put to the 'work' it can show how deviant people's opinion of the world can be.


http://www.alternet.org/story/14873


once again, I dont endorse, support, or otherewise any of these views. for information only (or disinformation?)






[Edited on 9/8/04 by stephen_gusterson]