Well guys... ???
No need to make comment if it makes you uneasy, but would be interested to see the numbers!
PS - By all means debate away from all corners of the UK & NI, but can we keep the poll-vote only open to Scots.
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Originally posted by scootz
PS - By all means debate away from all corners of the "UK & NI", but can we keep the poll-vote only open to Scots.
Sorry GB & NI... where's the red-faced smiley when I need one!
It should be open to REAL Scots to choose only, but you will get the non-birth-Scots (other nationals who live there) and as such feel just because
its where they choose to reside that they too should get a say in things.
Having seen such a scenario first hand from a very indignant Non-Scot who attempted to "advise" on how we should be running things who was
no to pleased to be told by another Scot to "shut it" !!!
Personally build the Wall nice and high, have immigration laws that would shame the Australians !!!! put meters on the oil lines going south and
charge 30 odd year back tax..
And yes many (mainly the English) will say what happened in the past, should be past, (and to a point i agree) BUT in reality history proves the
English raped and pillaged its way across the world and the Celts have long memories and VERY good history teachers !!!!
Im just going to grab my shovel and dig a fox hole !!!!
Tongue in cheek 
FREEDOM !!!!!!!
[Edited on 24/10/2011 by Hector.Brocklebank]
When I saw the title I was thinking it was a vote to see if people would use a Scottish-only LCB forum! Doh!
I was all geared up to say that it would be a shame to lose all that quick-witted banter we get from our NOTB buddies 
Oh, and as far as the vote goes, does it really matter? The governments will always do what they decide anyhow, look at the EU thing in the press at
the moment ......
lol. Hector is such a voracious Scot he f'ed off to Thailand!
I'm not a Scot by birth but do live in Scotland (just!) by absolute choice. I feel I should have a voice in what happens... but I'm no
evangelist.
[Edited on 24/10/11 by SeaBass]
... and open to Scots residents!
Basically, if you're permitted a vote on the referendum, then please vote on the poll!
So would I be correct that the situation the Scots find themselves in now is directly tied to the Darien scheme of 1693 where the Scots desperate to
mirror the English colonies success and wealth from trade overseas nearly bankrupted the country which was a major factor in the treaty of union on
1707?
If the Scots want complete independance they should be allowed to have it along with the Welsh but only if they are completely self financing. After
all at the moment it's only England where you pay for perscriptions & University education as two examples.
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Originally posted by SeaBass
lol. Hector is such a voracious Scot he f'ed off to Thailand!
I'm not a Scot by birth but do live in Scotland (just!) by absolute choice. I feel I should have a voice in what happens... but I'm no evangelist.
[Edited on 24/10/11 by SeaBass]
(but in reality those who know me, know why i left the country) I have to say it's not an attitude that's new to me - try moving to a tiny village in the Borders and not being labelled and incomer. People
are very surprised when you, an incomer, want to make a positive contribution to the local community.
It's going to be very interesting to see how it develops.
Personally the vote should be the other way round.
Ask the English if we want Scoltand as part of the UK.
If Scotalnd was independant who do you think would have bailed out the RBS!!
Scotland would be at the Euro table with a begging bowl just like Greece.
Anyway we have found oil in the Faklands now so we dont need Scottish oil any more!!
Long live the Union
This could warrant a BIG bag of popcorn......
Fine, have independance should you feel thats the way to go, the only request that I would make is to take all the scots currently in the Parliament back with you, (and Oh! boy there are loads). Just my two penath, :-) Cheers Ray
An interesting aside in the debate is the 49 labour Westminster MPs, who would be chucked out of the HoP, making the Tories no longer need the
Agnostics, sorry LibDems for a majority
Cheers
ATB
Simon
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Originally posted by big-vee-twin
Personally the vote should be the other way round.
Ask the English if we want Scoltand as part of the UK.
If Scotalnd was independant who do you think would have bailed out the RBS!!
Scotland would be at the Euro table with a begging bowl just like Greece.
Anyway we have found oil in the Faklands now so we dont need Scottish oil any more!!
Long live the Union
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Originally posted by Chippy
Fine, have independance should you feel thats the way to go, the only request that I would make is to take all the scots currently in the Parliament back with you, (and Oh! boy there are loads). Just my two penath, :-) Cheers Ray
I voted to forget the whole thing and go back to Westminster. I just think the Scottish government is a big waste of money in its current guise and
the parliament building is a joke! I say this as a proud and patriotic Scot but I can't feel proud of the Scottish parliament I'm afraid.
Betting our future on oil is a short term strategy at best although renewables might be a stronger long term case, especially tidal power and wave
power. On the whole I don't think independence would work as we Scots have a proud history of bickering amongst ourselves.
Also, as a conservative voter with strong beliefs in working for a living and being allowed and encouraged to accumulate wealth based on hard work and
job/enterprise creation, that pretty much rules out wanting to be governed by the usual suspects in Scotland. That said, Salmond doesn't seem a
bad guy and has exceeded my expectations but I think at the moment, in order to compete with the likes of Germany and France in Europe, we need to
keep the union together. I say that as a euro-sceptic but unfortunately the last government gave away so much power to Europe that we need to go along
with it for a while until things settle down.
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Originally posted by craig1410
I voted to forget the whole thing and go back to Westminster. I just think the Scottish government is a big waste of money in its current guise and the parliament building is a joke! I say this as a proud and patriotic Scot but I can't feel proud of the Scottish parliament I'm afraid.
Betting our future on oil is a short term strategy at best although renewables might be a stronger long term case, especially tidal power and wave power. On the whole I don't think independence would work as we Scots have a proud history of bickering amongst ourselves.
Also, as a conservative voter with strong beliefs in working for a living and being allowed and encouraged to accumulate wealth based on hard work and job/enterprise creation, that pretty much rules out wanting to be governed by the usual suspects in Scotland. That said, Salmond doesn't seem a bad guy and has exceeded my expectations but I think at the moment, in order to compete with the likes of Germany and France in Europe, we need to keep the union together. I say that as a euro-sceptic but unfortunately the last government gave away so much power to Europe that we need to go along with it for a while until things settle down.
Independance - won't work, were too small with too much oil and no Army - Prime target for invasion.... bit like Kuwait.
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Originally posted by mad4x4
Independance - won't work, were too small with too much oil and no Army - Prime target for invasion.... bit like Kuwait.
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Originally posted by mad4x4
Independance - won't work, were too small with too much oil and no Army - Prime target for invasion.... bit like Kuwait.
So you get your independence and then the oil runs out. Are you going to ask to be bailed out again just like in 1707 and let back in?
It's all a nonsense because ultimately small countries cannot prosper in a world which is coalescing into large trading blocks, which is why
being part of Europe is essential to the UK's property.
I am proud of being a mongrel, one quarter Welsh, one quarter English, two quarters Irish! So I certainly don't qualify to vote in your poll. But
if you go back in history we are all mongrels. The true celts that you will only allow to vote in your poll, started in Central Europe and migrated to
Britain only to be pushed into Ireland and Scotland by the Romans. Then the 'English' who you accuse of raping and pillaging Scotland were
mainly of Norman (French) descent and later
Dutch.
At what point in history do you decide that was the correct demography to return to? Why can't we forget all this nationalist nonsense and all
prosper together!
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Originally posted by plentywahalla
The true celts that you will only allow to vote in your poll...
Whichever way it goes go that way, from what I understand there's a nice middle ground where the Scots have a say in what happens in England, but the English have no say on Scottish goings-on
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Originally posted by scootz
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Originally posted by plentywahalla
The true celts that you will only allow to vote in your poll...
???
I'm not sure describing native Scots as Celts is correct at all. Picts or Gaels perhaps.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_people
I think we can assume for the purpose of this exercise that we are talking about those with the right to vote in Scotland.
[Edited on 24/10/2011 by craig1410]
Haven't voted as don't qualify, (one of the Auld enemy, ) but just wondered how the poll is going. Cheers Ray
I would just like to defend Mr Seabasse's right to vote here.
He lives and works here and makes a significant contribution on many levels.
Unlike the huge tracts of the country inhabited by wastes of space that wouldn't know how to contribute to society if their lives depended on
it.
The man lives and works here. Pays his council tax and contributes to his local economy.
He's entitled to a vote.
As a half Scot but born in England all I've got to say is ,"Freedom for Tibet''. England isn't even independent from Europe so what's the point in Scottish independence?
Ye need a 5th button on yer poll......
It's all 80110CK5 and they'll please themselves anyway......
Bertie.
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Originally posted by bertie_bas205
Ye need a 5th button on yer poll......
It's all 80110CK5 and they'll please themselves anyway......
Bertie.
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Originally posted by skodaman
As a half Scot but born in England all I've got to say is ,"Freedom for Tibet''. England isn't even independent from Europe so what's the point in Scottish independence?
Hector B,
No I'm not....
The way I see it people vote on these things, they get their asses into big comfy leather chairs in their big offices that we, the tax pay for an reem
us..
How many voted for raised taxes?? I didn't but I have to pay it!!!
Maybe there should be a "rants page"....
Bertie.
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Originally posted by bertie_bas205
Hector B,
No I'm not....
The way I see it people vote on these things, they get their asses into big comfy leather chairs in their big offices that we, the tax pay for an reem us..
How many voted for raised taxes?? I didn't but I have to pay it!!!
Maybe there should be a "rants page"....
Bertie.
Hector as the history teachers in Scotland are so good and the Scots memories are so long, what is your take on the fact that one of the major reasons Scotland signed the treaty of Union was it's disastrous attempts to set up a trade colony in the 1690's practically leaving the country bankrupt and that is why you are currently under the yoke of the Auld enemy?
quote:
Originally posted by Chippy
Haven't voted as don't qualify, (one of the Auld enemy, ) but just wondered how the poll is going. Cheers Ray
quote:
Originally posted by jabbahutt
Hector as the history teachers in Scotland are so good and the Scots memories are so long, what is your take on the fact that one of the major reasons Scotland signed the treaty of Union was it's disastrous attempts to set up a trade colony in the 1690's practically leaving the country bankrupt and that is why you are currently under the yoke of the Auld enemy?
I tend to think that if the Scots do vote for independence it would be a shame, three centuries or so of history ended, however if that is the way the
majority of the population want to go, so be it. I must confess I have some doubts as to the economic viability of Scotland on it's own, but I
will also confess that I aint no expert
My personal preference would be to set up a federal system for the four countries in the Union, with England, Wales, Scotland and NI acting much like
states in the US. This would allow a lot more freedom for law making etc, whilst keeping the benefits of the Union. I guess it's too much of a
compromise in that it wouldn't satisfy the rabid unionists or independence nuts!
I’m originally from Glasgow (as were my parents) so I’m a real jock and I feel this independence thing is all a bit silly, as none of the countries in
the union, even Engerland could survive independently any more than Britain could survive if totally divorced from Europe, though I do wish they would
stop interfering in our laws such as they are.
I have found it amusing though throughout this thread watch the napalm flying back and forth in relative safety from behind the ramparts of the welsh
border.
It’s nice to watch the kids have fun.
Hector I hope you didn't take my question as a serious point scoring excercise mearly a light hearted mickey take from an Englishman. I have no doubt that throughout history England has done many things to be ashamed of along with many things to be very proud of.
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Originally posted by Hector.Brocklebank
Scootz its your bloody fault..........................
I'd have to say that I'd be in favour of a fully independent Scotland... and for no other reason that I see it as an opportunity to improve
the future of me and mine!
It's a MASSIVE gamble though as there (quite rightly) would be no way back, but the potential pay-off is immeasurable.
It really comes down to the ownership of the oil-fields, just how much of the black-stuff is left and how any Scottish Govt would invest the revenue
to work for us in the future. I also think that recent events in Ireland would provide lessons on what NOT to do with it!
We'll see what happens. For now I'm proud to be Scottish and I'm proud to be British.
PS - would we still get to be part of LCB if we did dissolve the Union?
I must admit to being extremely envious of the whole Scottish pride thing, you only have to look at the hooha flying an English flag causes to realising how nice it must be living in a country where it is not seen as wrong to being proud of your nationality and displaying it.
National pride is good, but I have to say that some of the noisiest exponents of it in Scotland are the no-marks who have contributed precisely
squat... and taken the most.
They feed-off the exploits of our illustrious forefathers, but haven't cottoned on that we're being left behind at an alarming rate!
I'm hoping that an independent Scotland would shake-up the status-quo and remove the outdated 'persecution complex'. Introduce a case
of there you have it... now it's success is up to each of you!
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Originally posted by Hector.Brocklebank
quote:
Originally posted by bertie_bas205
Hector B,
No I'm not....
The way I see it people vote on these things, they get their asses into big comfy leather chairs in their big offices that we, the tax pay for an reem us..
How many voted for raised taxes?? I didn't but I have to pay it!!!
Maybe there should be a "rants page"....
Bertie.
Bertie, Seeing as your from Aberdeenshire, you should get in touch with "omega24v6/Garry" he's in the "Broch" you seem as gumpy & moaning faced an old bstard as he is you two would get along quite well
(if your reading ) sorry couldny resist Garry
