So, after having a look round I want a 10" tablet..
Narrowed the search down to a Asus ME302C MeMO Pad FHD 10
This website looks the cheapest..
http://tabletsonly.co.uk/extra.aspx?me=tabletsonly&pn=ME302C-1B019A
What do you think?
Is the website OK, anyone bought off them?
[Edited on 18/1/14 by coozer]
iPad mini all day long for me
Or a full sized ipad 2 or 3 from the apple refurb shop. I've not yet played with an android tablet yet that just 'works' as well as an ipad, and I'm a huge android fan.
After being a hardcore apple user for 15 years I just won't touch their iOS devices. To many restrictions on what you can and cannot do. If
your a everyday user then iOS is fine, if your a power user the I phones/iPads are almost impossible without jailbraking them.
Asus make good tablets, I have a nexus 7. Have you tried looking at the nexus 10? They are getting a bit long in the tooth now but there might be
some good deals about.
[Edited on 18/1/14 by Irony]
Galaxy tab 2 or 3, very pleased with my 10.1 tab 2 for last year.
http://www.johnlewis.com/samsung-galaxy-tab-3-10-1-tablet-intel-atom-android-10-1-wi-fi-16gb/p583919?kpid=232274342&s_kenid=2a3f000c-ce55-3f48-2b8 4-00006e75e0f1&s_kwcid=ppc_pla&tmad=c&tmcampid=73
Thanks chaps, however I am no way going for any Apple things and I also ruled out the Samsung tablets..
Asus make the Nexus 7 and Nexus 10 for Google and both are very good I have the 7 and its great.
This is their own version which I would imagine are just as good.
Sony xperia all day long
Asus make Nexus. but Nexus will slways be first choice.
Don't forget the Kindle Fire HD and HDX
Much as I like Samsung phones I don't rate the Samsung Tablets.
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Asus make Nexus. but Nexus will slways be first choice.
Don't forget the Kindle Fire HD and HDX
Much as I like Samsung phones I don't rate the Samsung Tablets.
Just to say aswell there's a new 10" mk2 version of the nexus due any day. Might be worth holding on to see what spec/price it has.
Kindle tablets have your balls locked to amazon just like apple products to itunes.
Cheers,
Bob
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Originally posted by Irony
After being a hardcore apple user for 15 years I just won't touch their iOS devices. To many restrictions on what you can and cannot do. If your a everyday user then iOS is fine, if your a power user the I phones/iPads are almost impossible without jailbraking them.
[Edited on 18/1/14 by Irony]
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Originally posted by coozer
Thanks chaps, however I am no way going for any Apple things and I also ruled out the Samsung tablets..
I couldn't say no to a Nook hd plus. Crazy cheap! brilliant screen and full access to google play so not really the walled garden it was. At some point I was planning on installing cyano but haven't found the need. Only annoyance was google play decided flash was not compatible so did not offer it so I had to sideload it.
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Originally posted by craig1410
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Originally posted by coozer
Thanks chaps, however I am no way going for any Apple things and I also ruled out the Samsung tablets..
Ah, closed mine you are (in a Yoda voice) Good luck with the dark side (Android)
Ask yourself this question. Do you want to buy a great product (Apple) or have your personal data sold (Google)?
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Originally posted by craig1410
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Originally posted by Irony
After being a hardcore apple user for 15 years I just won't touch their iOS devices. To many restrictions on what you can and cannot do. If your a everyday user then iOS is fine, if your a power user the I phones/iPads are almost impossible without jailbraking them.
[Edited on 18/1/14 by Irony]
What a load of bollocks, I'm a "power user" (software consultant) and iOS is perfectly fine without jail breaking and at least you don't have all your personal data stolen and exploited as you have with a lot of Android apps.
What is a "power user" these day anyway? lol
C.
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Originally posted by craig1410
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Originally posted by coozer
Thanks chaps, however I am no way going for any Apple things and I also ruled out the Samsung tablets..
Ah, closed mine you are (in a Yoda voice) Good luck with the dark side (Android)
Ask yourself this question. Do you want to buy a great product (Apple) or have your personal data sold (Google)?
Oh - it must be weeks since we last had an Apple/Android war!
I think iPads are very good, and easy to use - but I'm not prepared to pay the price premium for them. There are also some apps that I use which
are only available on Android so that effectively made my mind up for me. These include set-up apps for radio-controlled aircraft flight control
boards - the developers have said that their not going to write iOS versions as the approval process is too slow, complex and expensive. I don't
know if that's true, but they're certainly not going near it.
I have an original Nexus 7 that I bought direct from the Google store, as I did for my Nexus 4 phone. The tablet was bought to run those special
apps, with not much intention of using it for anything else. I now use it a lot for all sorts of things...
There are plenty of downsides to Android, such as the many junk apps in the store and the higher risk of malicious apps, but it's still my OS of
choice.
I'm not a huge Apple fan, I find their products very much 'our way or no way' and while they work great if you are prepared to buy all
their products and use all their software I resent being tied to this. Plus I also resent why Apple just can't make their phones and tablets
right to begin with, just add flash and make the memory expandable - it's not difficult, but they know the same mugs will line up to pay top
dollar to buy the latest generation of their Iphone or Ipad even though they are still that bit lacking.
If you want a good tablet don't rule out out the cheap Chinese ones, they are all made there anyway, even the Ipads. Check out the specs and
reviews on a Pipo M9 Pro 3G, it has everything you could ever want in a tablet for a reasonable price.
I got Mrs SF a android tablet for xmass. Not knowing much about them I had to research a bit. The latest specification for android tabs seems to be :- Retina screen, 1.8Ghz quad core CPU, 16GB memory (minimum) using that I created a short list of the different makes and models. Watched uTube reviews where they are often compared to the iPad. Once the make and model is known it's just a matter of getting the best deal. The point is once you move away from the big named tablets there are better spec tablets out there far cheaper than the one you suggest. The cheap slates (new word for me) are not as good as a iPad yet, but not that far behind either.
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Oh - it must be weeks since we last had an Apple/Android war!
I think iPads are very good, and easy to use - but I'm not prepared to pay the price premium for them. There are also some apps that I use which are only available on Android so that effectively made my mind up for me. These include set-up apps for radio-controlled aircraft flight control boards - the developers have said that their not going to write iOS versions as the approval process is too slow, complex and expensive. I don't know if that's true, but they're certainly not going near it.
I have an original Nexus 7 that I bought direct from the Google store, as I did for my Nexus 4 phone. The tablet was bought to run those special apps, with not much intention of using it for anything else. I now use it a lot for all sorts of things...
There are plenty of downsides to Android, such as the many junk apps in the store and the higher risk of malicious apps, but it's still my OS of choice.
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Originally posted by MikeRJ
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Originally posted by craig1410
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Originally posted by coozer
Thanks chaps, however I am no way going for any Apple things and I also ruled out the Samsung tablets..
Ah, closed mine you are (in a Yoda voice) Good luck with the dark side (Android)
Ask yourself this question. Do you want to buy a great product (Apple) or have your personal data sold (Google)?
That sounds more like a closed mind than anything to be honest. I've recently tried IOS7 on an iPAD 4 and it feels very slow and laggy compared to my cheap Samsung Tab.
Ask yourself this question: do you want to have powerful hardware at low cost, a fast smooth and open operating system and a massive choice of applications, or do you want to buy an Apple device?
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Originally posted by scudderfish
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Originally posted by craig1410
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Originally posted by Irony
After being a hardcore apple user for 15 years I just won't touch their iOS devices. To many restrictions on what you can and cannot do. If your a everyday user then iOS is fine, if your a power user the I phones/iPads are almost impossible without jailbraking them.
[Edited on 18/1/14 by Irony]
What a load of bollocks, I'm a "power user" (software consultant) and iOS is perfectly fine without jail breaking and at least you don't have all your personal data stolen and exploited as you have with a lot of Android apps.
What is a "power user" these day anyway? lol
C.
I'm a "power user" (software developer) and as far as I'm aware iOS devices are shiny toys compared to Android. Can iOS devices now do serial comms over Bluetooth to talk to Megasquirt yet? Have Prolific or FTDI released drivers for them so you can use common USB-Serial adapters to talk to Megasquirt? Are there any development environments that run on the device and produced compiled code? I wrote chunks of MSLogger directly on my Asus Transformer TF300T (detachable keyboard that charges the tablet in use is very handy) but as far as I'm aware that wouldn't be possible on an ipad, and I'd have to buy an extra keyboard as well.
Regards,
Dave
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Originally posted by craig1410
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Originally posted by Irony
After being a hardcore apple user for 15 years I just won't touch their iOS devices. To many restrictions on what you can and cannot do. If your a everyday user then iOS is fine, if your a power user the I phones/iPads are almost impossible without jailbraking them.
[Edited on 18/1/14 by Irony]
What a load of bollocks, I'm a "power user" (software consultant) and iOS is perfectly fine without jail breaking and at least you don't have all your personal data stolen and exploited as you have with a lot of Android apps.
What is a "power user" these day anyway? lol
C.
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Originally posted by Irony
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Originally posted by craig1410
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Originally posted by Irony
After being a hardcore apple user for 15 years I just won't touch their iOS devices. To many restrictions on what you can and cannot do. If your a everyday user then iOS is fine, if your a power user the I phones/iPads are almost impossible without jailbraking them.
[Edited on 18/1/14 by Irony]
What a load of bollocks, I'm a "power user" (software consultant) and iOS is perfectly fine without jail breaking and at least you don't have all your personal data stolen and exploited as you have with a lot of Android apps.
What is a "power user" these day anyway? lol
C.
Pffffft - I used macs all day long. I specialise in super sized graphics, presentations and 3D design. When I want to transfer a large document to a iPAD I struggle because of all the apple restrictions. I don't use my iPAD I get out my ANDROID tablet. When I transfer it to a ANDROID tablet I just use a USB memory stick.
I want to use my tablet to display a presentation that somebody else has created. It's a large file and they send it on a CD. My iTunes account is on my home computer and I'm at work. Also the presentation is in powerpoint. Again the iPAD gets put away.
As people at work aways have there iPads slaved to there home computers moving large files to them is a nightmare.
For a software consultant you seem pretty unaware of the restrictions that iOS place on its users.
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I've never looked before and serial comms to megasquirt is hardly Apple's core customer, but a cursory search on the web revealed that iPad's can indeed communicate via serial interfaces. Here's the first link I found ( http://www.get-console.com ). In a more general sense, I use several iOS applications to talk to my car's OBD computer via bluetooth or WiFi and these work very well indeed. I have no wish to go back to serial comms when there are much better options available today.
Development environments which produce "compiled code" - hmm, well given that an awful lot of code these days (probably the majority in fact) is not "compiled" per se, I'd say this was an edge case. I do most of my development these days using Ruby, Ruby on Rails, Javascript, Coffescript, HTML5 and CSS3 and I use the iPad actively as a test device, or to connect to remote servers and edit code or to run automated test suites live while I'm developing on my Macbook Pro. Tools like Coda and Diet Coda can be used very effectively to carry out web development using nothing but the iPad. In fact I did this on a long flight recently where I wrote a whole website while offline. I then just clicked the upload button when I landed and it was all pushed to the web server via FTP. I think you'd be surprised just how much real work you can get done with one of these "shiny toys"
I use an Apple bluetooth keyboard with my iPad Air when I'm doing a lot of work on it, but it is by no means essential. However, when you are being paid by the day as a professional developer, it makes sense to pay a few extra quid to maximise your productivity.
Anyway, I didn't mean to start another Apple/Android war.
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Originally posted by craig1410
I've never looked before and serial comms to megasquirt is hardly Apple's core customer, but a cursory search on the web revealed that iPad's can indeed communicate via serial interfaces. Here's the first link I found ( http://www.get-console.com ). In a more general sense, I use several iOS applications to talk to my car's OBD computer via bluetooth or WiFi and these work very well indeed. I have no wish to go back to serial comms when there are much better options available today.
Development environments which produce "compiled code" - hmm, well given that an awful lot of code these days (probably the majority in fact) is not "compiled" per se, I'd say this was an edge case. I do most of my development these days using Ruby, Ruby on Rails, Javascript, Coffescript, HTML5 and CSS3 and I use the iPad actively as a test device, or to connect to remote servers and edit code or to run automated test suites live while I'm developing on my Macbook Pro. Tools like Coda and Diet Coda can be used very effectively to carry out web development using nothing but the iPad. In fact I did this on a long flight recently where I wrote a whole website while offline. I then just clicked the upload button when I landed and it was all pushed to the web server via FTP. I think you'd be surprised just how much real work you can get done with one of these "shiny toys"
I use an Apple bluetooth keyboard with my iPad Air when I'm doing a lot of work on it, but it is by no means essential. However, when you are being paid by the day as a professional developer, it makes sense to pay a few extra quid to maximise your productivity.
Anyway, I didn't mean to start another Apple/Android war.
I was using Megasquirt as an example of usage that would be relevant to a number of people here, rather than the dull stuff that all tablets of whatever OS can do.
The RS232 thing you linked to is actually a WiFi access point that exposes the serial port as a network socket. They have their own interesting quirks when you try to do bi-directional comms with relation to packet size selection. I did find a proper cable (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/iPad-iphone-RS232-DB9-cable-/320953115630), but it is many multiples the cost of a regular USB adapter, and you have to jailbreak the tablet to use it.
If you think the majority of the code out there is not compiled, then you are mistaken. C/C++/Objective C/Java etc al still form the backbone of pretty much everything out there. Given the resource constraints of mobile devices, you have to compile down as close to the metal as possible if you have anything which is performance critical. For Android that is Java running on a JIT VM, with call outs to C/C++ for the time critical stuff. On iOS it will be Objective C.
None of the examples you've given cannot be done equally as well on an Android device, but the reverse is not true. Anyway I'm not going to post further so whatever you say next wins the argument.
Dropbox doesn't have the required speed or capacity when dealing with the sort of file sizes I deal with. I work with huge image files sometimes
over a gigabyte sometimes more. Dropbox is just not fast enough for this. Video files, animations, print ready PDFs all huge files that I cannot
seem to get on some of our staffs iPads.
I guess it must be the situation of my job that I constantly struggle to use iOS. I seem to be battling all the time with Apple restrictions
regarding file transfer. Not many people transfer as many GB of data that I do on a daily basis.
Powerpoint rarely works on either a iOS/ANDROID/Windows/Mac OS tablets perfectly to be honest. Complex presentations including complicated
animations, transitions, images, embedded video etc rarely come out okay when transferring cross platform.
I spent years telling everyone how brilliant Apple products are even through the dark years just before the first iMac came out. Only when I felt it
was justified however.........I nearly did the shocking thing of trading my Mac Pro for a Windows Desktop about a year ago. Now the new Mac Pro is
here I am a happy chappy again.
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Originally posted by Irony
Dropbox doesn't have the required speed or capacity when dealing with the sort of file sizes I deal with. I work with huge image files sometimes over a gigabyte sometimes more. Dropbox is just not fast enough for this. Video files, animations, print ready PDFs all huge files that I cannot seem to get on some of our staffs iPads.
I guess it must be the situation of my job that I constantly struggle to use iOS. I seem to be battling all the time with Apple restrictions regarding file transfer. Not many people transfer as many GB of data that I do on a daily basis.
Powerpoint rarely works on either a iOS/ANDROID/Windows/Mac OS tablets perfectly to be honest. Complex presentations including complicated animations, transitions, images, embedded video etc rarely come out okay when transferring cross platform.
I spent years telling everyone how brilliant Apple products are even through the dark years just before the first iMac came out. Only when I felt it was justified however.........I nearly did the shocking thing of trading my Mac Pro for a Windows Desktop about a year ago. Now the new Mac Pro is here I am a happy chappy again.