Phil
Its in the news at the moment, would you be happy for you and yours too provide a sample? Should samples be taken at birth ?
Discuss.
Just on principle, no. I'm not a fan of the nanny state/big brother bit as it is, and this just wanders further down that path. Bit like the ID card stuff, I just don't like everyone/the Gov't knowing all there is to know about me.
Just looking into having my little girls DNA tested as part of our famiily tree reaserch.
no problems with big brother keeping records taken at birth
would help to put a lot of people away!
Personally I would be happy too have mine on a data base, think it would help solve many a sex crime too, cant be a bad thing can it ?
Ditto Jon and Paul. It would help the police no end. And at the end of the day if you have never done anything wrong, theres no reason to refuse...
well IMHO.
David
Don't get me wrong I can see the good points of it, lots of time saved finding/convicting criminals etc, it's just me being ackward to some extent. Although I do realsie that it's just a more technical version of finger printing, and that data base has been around for some time.
It's my DNA and nobody else has a right to it, so I say no.
Phil
Good to know I'm not the only ackward sod on here.
My opinion (and general experience) is that anyone who refuses to give a sample (not DNA, but any evidence/statement) is immediately on the hit list.
You often find that the ones who protest will actually be very accomodating once you face them down with a few harsh realities!
An ID card and DNA sample wouldn't help to reduce crime though - it'll just open a new industry in ID faking. Out of every set back, there
is an alternative opportunity - crims are good at figuring this one out!
[Edited on 4/10/06 by StevieB]
I'm with Hellfire on this one. I want to be anonymous as much as possible. That should be my right. I'm no criminal so why should they have
me on the database, they have enough already.
Also is DNA confirmed as being a definate match? I've not seen anything to say it's 100% correct.
I've been framed by police in the past who threatened me and got the odd punch in when no one else was looking, so I dont trust them one bit.
I do think it'd help reduce crime, but only certain types. I don't even think the reduction will be that big, as people will just end up being more careful, buying thicker latex gloves etc etc. It's only of use if you/the criminal leave a trace behind. As an aside, how many crimes/trials, as a percentage for example, actually use dna testing to prove guilt?
I AGREE
Ive not got anything to worry about ( i hope )
but its just another thing that they know about us !
it like they know who you are before they stop us in the cars ( so why do they ask us )
i try to keep myself to myself ( even though i a gobby little poo ! ) but that's my problem and i want to keep it that way !
if they got my DNA i would be pulled in every week ( my brother is a druggie)
AND HE CARNT WORK CAUSE HE HAS TO NICK EVERY THING THATS NOT NIALED DOWN
beating ten barrels of crap out of him don't work, nor does prison (he loves it sad git)
i know it wont be exactly the same but it will be near enough and i don't want all that crap
i know some of you will say that's why we need a DNA list
but its not you that get the boy in blue knocking on your door at 3 in the morning !
so there you have it a big NO from me 
Apparently DNA is good enough for a 1 in 6 billion chances of a match.
Unfortunately, there are now, well see here (and be afraid!!)
http://www.worldometers.info/
1 in 12 has a DNA duplicate!
As for the q, if I'm req'd to provide a sample for a specific purpose (such as an offence), I'll give willingly, but I want it back
afterwards!
1984
ATB
Simon
its a good idea, but i think your dna should stay yours untill you break the law, then i think its fine to have to give a sample and you lose the right
Chances of match.
The chances are less than you think.
The current standard for testing for DNA is a 10 point match, this means a one in 60,000,000 chance.
The americans use a 16 point match.
one in 2,000,000,000.
The situation is the same as you had with finger print, if the jury was told that the prints matched , they always found the person guilty, even when
the experts were wrong .
There has already been two cases of DNA mismatch resulting in conviction of inocent people,
In 2003 a wheel chair bound paralysed man was arrested and charged on a burglary count when it took place 300miles away and the perp climbed through a
top floor window.
The police were so convinced by the so called experts and their DNA test they refused to drop the charges until 2 medical report showed the guy had
been paralysed for almost 3 years.
Dont believe the hype, DNA test are not fool proof and its often fools that use them.
No i would not offer my DNA for a test, goverment records get lost and end up on tips, + you might like this goverment but what about 20 years down
the line.
What if someone got hold of your DNA records and used that to steal your identity, who would believe you then..
DNA tests are not a magic bullet for crime detection, just another tool and in the wrong hands a dangerous one.
Its just a way of keeping tabs and reducing your freedom.
Sorry but thas the way i see it.
My own personal view is that a dna sample should be taken at the time of your first conviction/imprisonment, at least that way next time they break
the law they can be caught a little quicker as stats show high reoffending rates for these sorts of crimes (sex & violence) and if you are a law
abiding person it wouldn't affect you.
Just my two penneth
Rich
quote:
Originally posted by RichardK
My own personal view is that a dna sample should be taken at the time of your first conviction/imprisonment, at least that way next time they break the law they can be caught a little quicker as stats show high reoffending rates for these sorts of crimes (sex & violence) and if you are a law abiding person it wouldn't affect you.
Just my two penneth
Rich
What about cases where people are commiting serious crimes that totally f**k the lives of the innocent (serial rapists and peadophiles)?
If you had a DNA record for every person, you'd narrow down the offender as soon as you've got a trace of DNA on the first crime - no-one
else needs to be hurt.
They've also just announced a new breakthrough in DNA technology in this country that far outweighs the US tech (according to the story, not me)
Being an alien, I can change my DNA sequence at will as can all my clones
jon,
"Personally I would be happy too have mine on a data base, think it would help solve many a sex crime too, cant be a bad thing can it ? "
That's some admission! Plod will be round in a minute
Caber
My view is that if you have nothing to hide you need not worry about anything like a fingerprint or DNA sample being on file. If it can eliminate you from a list of possible offenders and speed up the capture of a criminal then I am all for it!
If DNA becomes too relied upon and trusted by juries then it won't be long before criminals start scattering other people's DNA in some for at a crime scene so the police get the wrong man. BEWARE!
but why should we !
like some one said yesterday
they can have mine when ever they want
but i want it back straight away !
soon they will be telling us when to breath and when to walk,
they already tell us how fast we can drive or were and when we can drink and smoke !
no problem with then taking mine but i will want it back
Well we all know that our governments are totally benign and fair, ho ho ho. But Blair is already saying unborn kids should be monitored for
anti-social tendencies.
Wouldn't it be handy, in say 10 years' time, for a computer to identify members of a particular racial or ethnic background.
The computer could then e-mail you your ticket to the gas chamber. I bet they thought it couldn't happen in Germany either.
Remember how the Data Protection Act would ensure that your personal details would not be released to outside agencies? So how come local council
parking office can locate me from my registration number ?
I'm sure it happens already but Insurance companies could look at your profile and tell if you are likely to develop cancer, and use this to
refuse cover. How long before the NHS does this?
If you trust the police and the Government unreservedly, then go ahead, send in your DNA. But it's going to show you're terminally naive
NO TO DNA REGISTER
[Edited on 5/10/06 by Macbeast]
quote:
Originally posted by Jon Ison
Personally I would be happy too have mine on a data base, think it would help solve many a sex crime too, cant be a bad thing can it ?
No. No. No.
We all know how good the government are with data.
The Police already have the largest DNA database in the world! They have the right to take (by force if neccessary) DNA samples from anyone they
arrest regardless of if they are charged and that DNA test remains in the database forever.
Can anyone say 'Police state'
There is a gradual erosion of our civil liberties and basic freedom. Unfortunately the apathetic, mouth breathing, Sun readers of this nation will not
notice it until it's to late !
I urge you all to read 'The Traveller' by John Twelve-Hawks, It may be a work of fiction but it will open your eyes to the 'database
state' we now live in.....
<let the flaming begin>
You lot may not be Christians, and probably far from it, but you might want to pick up a Bible and read Revelations.
A chip under the skin of your wrist or between the eyes above your nose, is now a reality. And there's an eastern european country already
'chipping' babies literally before the cord is cut, 'to eradicate child dealing'.
Put the Revelation stuff into a modern day context, and most of it is already in place, or possible. Could be another 1000 years or so before the end
comes though. Or could be tomorrer.
Regards,
Syd.
my dad was telling me this 15 years ago syd, funny how it comes true! He said that the implant (synonymous with the mark of the beast wasnt it?!) would be used it persecute people, which seems a remarkable prediction for 2000 years ago.
The problem with quoting Revelations is non christians then find the argument to easy to dismiss.
I am in no way knocking anyones faith but I think that to get the point across about how serious a threat this poses to our way of life, you need to
reach the widest audience.
SO if we all agree about the dna test what next?
bar code on the back of our necks?
usb plug on our wrist?
16pin eobd plug where the sun dont shine 
JUST SAY NO!
There have been a large number of arrests lately based on DNA, which have been just wrong.
A schoolboy who's DNA was mistakenly taken when he was a WITNESS to a crime was then arrested months later for a Post Office robbery. He spent
three days in custody because the police were convinced that he was guilty, as his DNA was found on one of the items stolen and recovered.
Turned out the item was a letter that he had posted!
The danger is that DNA means guilty until proven innocent, which is not the way this country should work.
Everybody talks about 1 in 2 squillion etc., but it is quite possible your DNA double could be living next door.
I've never been arrested or even questioned by the police, so I have nothing to hide, but my DNA is mine and I'll not let anyone take it
without a fight.
David
can't see how it wil make much difference to preventing crime, after all you'd have thought the electric chair would be a deterrent but does
not appear to be by the noumber of folks sitting on death row.
it would help is solving crimes for sure.
Now if there was an incentive, say you got £ 1k for submitting - then I may be swayed - after all. how much money would be saved investigating crimes?
surely that should be passed back to the public instead of lining the governments poclkets to fund more disaterouts IT profject?
I DONT agree with Taking DNA and holding registers etc..
Criminals make this a necessity, not law abiding citizens.
IMHO, you should have DNA taken, then Chipped, and a Verisign Digital certificate issued at birth. These would then form your personal identity
details for life.
Remember whilst you are all moaning about this sort of thing.
If everyone were law abiding people and there would be no crime, NONE of it would be necessary.
However, the world is just NOT like that. Is it?
Edit:
The banning of guns from being held by law abiding citizens has done NOTHING to reduce gun crime and shootings. In fact the incidents have risen.
Its the Criminals who are responsible NOT everyone else!
[Edited on 5/10/2006 by wilkingj]
Nanny state, Police state. I dont want to be part of it.
It's (was anyway) my right to be silent until proven otherwise. they are trying to remove that right.
As I said earlier, I wnat to get on with my life, be entitled to give my opinion and be anonymous. That is all being eroded away slowly and it all
started with some old bird called Thatcher.
I hope she dies a horrible death after the way she treated working class people in this country.
quote:
Originally posted by Jon Ison
Personally I would be happy too have mine on a data base, think it would help solve many a sex crime too, cant be a bad thing can it ?
quote:
Originally posted by Jon Ison
Personally I would be happy too have mine on a data base, think it would help solve many a sex crime too, cant be a bad thing can it ?
quote:
Originally posted by coozer
it all started with some old bird called Thatcher.
I hope she dies a horrible death after the way she treated working class people in this country.
And another thing, you can't have my DNA.
You know, if you give information to government, they're going to have to DO something with it. And of course, it will be shared with their
brethren, the universities, who will give them plenty of ideas.
Even 40 years ago, when I was a lad, schools slotted children in classes based on IQ tests alone. So what will government do with a full genetic
scan? Um, determine what sort of education and work you're good for, what medical treatments would be a wise "investment" for you,
whether you should have children, etc., etc., etc. Use your imagination; they will!
Also, I can see how certain large groups of people could be exempt from testing because (a) such tests could be deemed "discriminatory", (b)
they are "undocumented workers", or (c) their "religion of peace" forbids it.
quote:
Originally posted by gazza285
Sorry for the rant, I have to work with a large majority of ex pit men who still harp on about how good it was doing feck all and sleeping underground while the sub-contrators did the hard graft, and how it galls them to actually have to do a bit now and then.
Oh, nearly forgot, they still not getting my DNA signature....
quote:
Originally posted by pbura
You know, if you give information to government, they're going to have to DO something with it. And of course, it will be shared with their brethren, the universities, who will give them plenty of ideas.
Even 40 years ago, when I was a lad, schools slotted children in classes based on IQ tests alone. So what will government do with a full genetic scan? Um, determine what sort of education and work you're good for, what medical treatments would be a wise "investment" for you, whether you should have children, etc., etc., etc. Use your imagination; they will!
Also, I can see how certain large groups of people could be exempt from testing because (a) such tests could be deemed "discriminatory", (b) they are "undocumented workers", or (c) their "religion of peace" forbids it.
quote:
Originally posted by DavidM
JUST SAY NO!
There have been a large number of arrests lately based on DNA, which have been just wrong.
A schoolboy who's DNA was mistakenly taken when he was a WITNESS to a crime was then arrested months later for a Post Office robbery. He spent three days in custody because the police were convinced that he was guilty, as his DNA was found on one of the items stolen and recovered.
Turned out the item was a letter that he had posted!
The danger is that DNA means guilty until proven innocent, which is not the way this country should work.
Everybody talks about 1 in 2 squillion etc., but it is quite possible your DNA double could be living next door.
I've never been arrested or even questioned by the police, so I have nothing to hide, but my DNA is mine and I'll not let anyone take it without a fight.
David
DNA... no way
I lived on a boat for 10 years, off the grid, no fixed address, no phone, no bills, & almost untraceable. It's nice.
It's scary how much information I've given up about myself in the 10 years since. If it wasn't for keeping a roof over the
children's head, I'd be pulling the plug again in a heartbeat.
Information is power, and I see little coming from the government (this government, the last government, the next government) that isn't an abuse
of power. Why give them a stick to beat you with?