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carlgeldard - 11/1/07 at 04:55 PM

Important!
Pass it on. It only takes a minute.

The government's proposal to introduce road pricing will mean you having to purchase a tracking device for your car and paying a monthly bill to use it.
The tracking device will cost about £200 and in a recent study by the BBC, the lowest monthly bill was £28 for a rural florist and £194 for a delivery driver.
A non working Mum who used the car to take the kids to school paid £86 in one month.

On top of this massive increase in tax, you will be tracked. Somebody will know where you are at all times.

They will also know how fast you have been going, so even if you accidentally creep over a speed limit you can expect a NIP with your monthly bill.

If you care about our freedoms and stopping the constant bashing of the car driver, please sign the petition on No 10's new website.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/

Please pass this on to anyone who owns a car/motorcycle. It affects them.


TimC - 11/1/07 at 05:15 PM

If that happens, that'll be it - I'll be outa here. Canada/NZ wherever!


Tinks - 11/1/07 at 05:18 PM

Me too this Country is down the pan ... and fast ........ Lived in the States for 2 years WHY did I come back?


jos - 11/1/07 at 05:31 PM

signed!!!!!


Marlon - 11/1/07 at 05:34 PM

signed for me & swmbo though she doesn't know it yet!!


Peteff - 11/1/07 at 05:59 PM

Keep an eye on your inbox spam now you've signed it.
I'm going to pay £200 I probably can't afford for something I don't want and then a monthly payment on top to keep using it so someone can violate my right to privacy. That's bullpoop of a completely new order, who thought it up?

[Edited on 11/1/07 by Peteff]


Mike S - 11/1/07 at 06:00 PM

I don't disagree, but I think they are playing a psycological game with this.

Get everyone steamed up about road charging and 2 hundred quid for the tracker. Then they "give in" and stick a load more on fuel or something, and everyone goes "thank god for that".

It the same old game they play leaking a paper that say, pushes for a tax rise of 20%. They then come out saying they are bowing to pressure and only (ONLY) going to put it up 10%. And they think we will be happy.

When you think of the tax you pay when you earn your wages and then add up the tax you pay on purchases you make (particularly when it comes to cars and fuel) the pound you earn can only be worth about 20p in reality!

Really p****s you off.

Mike


Catpuss - 11/1/07 at 06:12 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Mike S
I don't disagree, but I think they are playing a psycological game with this.

Get everyone steamed up about road charging and 2 hundred quid for the tracker. Then they "give in" and stick a load more on fuel or something, and everyone goes "thank god for that".

It the same old game they play leaking a paper that say, pushes for a tax rise of 20%. They then come out saying they are bowing to pressure and only (ONLY) going to put it up 10%. And they think we will be happy.

When you think of the tax you pay when you earn your wages and then add up the tax you pay on purchases you make (particularly when it comes to cars and fuel) the pound you earn can only be worth about 20p in reality!

Really p****s you off.

Mike


The "leak" to the papers is the fishing expedition to gauge public response but stilll with plausible deniability.

The 20% -> 10% is what standard negotiation practice has used ever since. See the film "A Beutiful Mind" IIRC for how it was developed into the mathmatical theory of today.


JUD - 11/1/07 at 06:15 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Mike S
Get everyone steamed up about road charging and 2 hundred quid for the tracker. Then they "give in" and stick a load more on fuel or something, and everyone goes "thank god for that".

It the same old game they play leaking a paper that say, pushes for a tax rise of 20%. They then come out saying they are bowing to pressure and only (ONLY) going to put it up 10%. And they think we will be happy.



Yup - I reckon you're right there. Give the government's ability to cock up IT programs the likelihood of them sorting this in the near future is quite remote, so a touch of scare mongering followed by only a "slight hike" in fuel tax or road tax and we all breath a sigh of relief - when actually we have been butt-f@cked yet again!


Macbeast - 11/1/07 at 06:31 PM

Signed

Damn!! Now he knows where I live !!



Excuse me, there's someone at the door....

[Edited on 11/1/07 by Macbeast]


the_fbi - 11/1/07 at 06:39 PM

Has the search engine stopped working on here, or do people just like seeing the same threads over and over again a day or 2 apart?


JoelP - 11/1/07 at 09:14 PM

rather than all of us vacating the country, why dont we just send the government off to a remote island instead?!


MattCraneCustoms - 11/1/07 at 10:48 PM

quote:
Originally posted by JoelP
rather than all of us vacating the country, why dont we just send the government off to a remote island instead?!


I fully agree to that. I'm already a "libertarian anarchist;" If they fit these things to cars, we'll find a way round it, like with every thing else. To every problem theres a solution - Speed cameras - Laser and Photo Jammers. Goverment black box - hammer . . . .
Regards
Matt