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mcerd1 - 8/1/08 at 09:06 AM

The gearbox on my Pug 106 has suddenly started making allot of noise
at the moment I suspect that at least 1 bearing is dead on either the output shaft or diff

its a 1992 1.0 car with 4 speed 'MA4' box

anyone here have any experience with these gearboxes ? or know were I can get another cheep ?

unfortunately this now means that the kit is 'on hold' until its fixed/ replaced


minordelay - 8/1/08 at 10:08 AM

The 4 speed boxes are easy enough to strip out if you've done a gearbox before.
TBH though it would be cheaper and easier to pt a s/h box in though, same as the AX so should be a few about 5 speed will fit too.


mcerd1 - 8/1/08 at 10:31 AM

Thanks for that, I haven't done a gearbox before but I'm sure I'd manage (eventually) if I find a manual that covers it

also I didn't know the ax's used the same box

so far I've found 1 'tested' s/h box for £70 - but its 200 miles away


Dusty - 8/1/08 at 11:13 AM

I have done two on my daughters 106. Local scrappy had several and a saxo box is currently in. Nice light box and easy to do. Support the engine, remove left front wheel , caliper, hub and half shaft and remove box.
Not fun outdoors at the moment.

Why twice. First time I did it, gave it back to her and got a call half an hour later asking what I had done with fifth gear. Scrappy had supplied four speed box by mistake. How we chuckled.


Peteff - 8/1/08 at 12:12 PM

I'm sure 5 speed was different on my sister's Saxo.


britishtrident - 8/1/08 at 01:03 PM

ISTR on Pug boxes of this era the nut at the end of the main shaft comes undone --- can be fixed in car by removing the end cover.

However i might be a more serious fault sometimes seen on Rover 214 which use the Pug box the final drive gear is also known to move on the differential.


mcerd1 - 8/1/08 at 01:14 PM

I've now also been told it could be that a diff pinion is broken and a bit of it is stuck between the crown wheel and one of the shafts

I can get it recon'd (assuming its only bearings) for ~£180+VAT or get the bearings & seals and do it myself for ~£80+VAT

I suppose I'd better get it out/ open it up and find out whats wrong


one thing I can't seem to find anywere is a way of telling the ratio's without opening it up to count the teeth - can anyone help with this ?


britishtrident - 8/1/08 at 04:11 PM

If it is the diff pinnion it is highly likely the casing has damage ---


mcerd1 - 8/1/08 at 04:51 PM

quote:
Originally posted by britishtrident
If it is the diff pinnion it is highly likely the casing has damage ---


If it's the pinion or any other major damage - I'll be getting another box (or a new car)

[Edited on 8/1/08 by mcerd1]