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Zetec & Throttle Bodies
Bumble - 31/7/09 at 03:42 PM

I have a 1.8 Zetec (Silvertop) which I'm planning to fit with Throttle Bodies in my MK Locost. I've seen some decent R1 Yamaha TB's on E-Bay.....comments / advice welcome.
Oh.....I'm toying with the idea of trading up to 2.0L Zetec running the same TB's....thoughts on this as well.
Cheers.


big_wasa - 31/7/09 at 03:51 PM

Which model R1

R6 are cheaper and 38mm so upto the job on 1.8 and 2.0

Early R6 Tb's look like carbs but have injectors under them.

Easy to make a manifold with a flange from short track on here and ebay.

Ive not finished these yet but you get the idea.

[img]http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?action=attachment&tid=116816&pid=976942[/img]

PS Mine are for sale as pic if you want to finish them. u2u me for more info.

[Edited on 1/8/09 by big_wasa]


will121 - 31/7/09 at 04:30 PM

think R6 or R1 (38mm good for 150-160bhp anyway) or the more popular GSXR600/750 as ebay
another option on a silvertop is to use a standard fiesta/escort injector sandwich plate rather than the throttle body ones, one advantage is if you are respacing them you dont need to worry about making a new fuel rail. only thing is you need a different manifold blank but shorttrack do both options
sandwich plate in top of picture
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big_wasa - 31/7/09 at 04:53 PM

Will, the later blacktop zetec uses end fed injectors and rail that fit the R6 Tb's

I will get a pic in a min


whitestu - 31/7/09 at 05:59 PM

Don't rule out bike carbs! I'd like to go for TBs / megasquirt, but from what I've seen there is absolutely no point from a power point of view, and carbs are miles easier to set up.

Stu


big_wasa - 31/7/09 at 06:13 PM

pic

Megasquirt wont like them but the ford eec-iv +v will


robocog - 31/7/09 at 09:38 PM

big_wasa when you say "Megasquirt wont like them but the ford eec-iv +v will"

Why not?

I'm running a set of R6 TB's that look like carbs with squirty on my Silvertop (with the original motorcycle injectors on a cut n shut re-spaced fuel rail)
Think mine seem to be working OK

Used the rubbers from the donor motorbike as well
Bolted them to a shortrack flange with some ally spacers between rubbers and flange so the transition of the 2 different shaped ports wasn't too aggressive - all held together with long allen head bolts and a smear of sealant
No issues on induction side for the last year or so its been together

Good tip ref the blacktop injectors and rail fitting in like that :-)
Kind of handy to know..and could have saved some greif of the cut n shut traumas I went through

Regards
Rob


[Edited on 31/7/09 by robocog]


big_wasa - 1/8/09 at 09:04 AM

My very bassic understanding of Megasquirt, it is better to use hi Z injectors. You can use low Z but get into problems with board design and current demands and the need for balast resisters, aswell as flyback issues. ?

So megasquirt will work better with the bike injectors than the low impedance ford injectors.

Please correct me if I have misunderstood this ?

[Edited on 1/8/09 by big_wasa]


robocog - 1/8/09 at 09:44 AM

OK, gotcha :-)

Think the low z injector issues (for v2.2 hardware) are resolved by using the add on flyback board and using pwm
OR
adding resistors

I thought the later v3 board already had the flyback built in so that low z worked out of the box with no mods or extra hardware...could be mistaken

Think if given a choice of injectors hi z is plug and play if you have the older 2.2 board..but if you have the v3 board it shouldn't make any difference?

Regards
Rob


fatbaldbloke - 2/8/09 at 08:09 AM

There's a set of GSXR 600 throttle bodies for sale on my website (plus quite a lot of information about converting from carbs to throttle bodies).

NOW SOLD



[Edited on 2/8/09 by fatbaldbloke]