Having problems with my start motor.

Since ive had the car its been a bit hit and miss, only engauging sucessfully about every other time, and if it doesn work, taking 2-3 blips till it engauges.
- Right at the start i would rock it if it didnt engauge but then found the rocking often didnt make it work anyway. So just resorted to dabing the start button untill it engauged.

Then the solenoid came loose and i re attached it and removed an rebolted the starter. I also replaced the missing bolt so it was held by the full three not just two.

After that it engauged nearly 100% of the time but sounds like the mesh is far to tight, a lot of gear noise between the two.

1600 cvh, alumium belhousing, std type9 box.

This is the info off the starter

Is this the right starter for a CVH mated to a Type9?
Are there any flywheel/bellhousing/clutch variations that might effect it?

Also included some photos of the flywheel.
- Marked 200S in white/yellow and S2 RST in red on opersite sides. Might mean something to somone hopfully.











My gutt feeling is that when it works well it works too well for anything to be catastofically wrong, but yet given there is basical no adjustment at all, whats wrong to make it not work faultlessly i dont know.

The whole start motor came loose a week ago, and before i actaully noticed it was loose it was back to its old trick of only engauging somtimes not always, but sounded much better while it was engauged. So it does sound a but tight, and maybe thats sublty of diffrence betwen diffrent startmotor models? Not conviced, but i dont know what the options are.


Daniel

I guess although the started fits onto the bellhousing and the engine is a cvh, the flywheel with which the starter meshs could be off anything almost?

The teeth/gears for now look ok. But im keen to sort it sooner rather than later to prevent wear (not using car much atm) as as far as i know it used to work fine so im assuming its the right starter. Will get a part no off it if i can.

Currently working on a bit of a final push to get the car sorted for a trackday on satuday.


Its also just recently developed a fault where it wont work at all, relay from the start button under the dash clicks, and the voltmeter comes down a fair bit (ie, not a small load, but not the fully motor load either) but no noise from the solenoid or starter motor.
- No other symtoms, repeated tries often dont revieal anything, no loose wires, then given enough trys and wiggles it starts working again. Very odd. Seams like a loose contection maybe inside the soleniod or before it, but odd to see load on the voltmeter.

Thats clearly nothing to do with the mesh issue, but does mean im planning to proberbly replace the unit, inwhich case clearly it might as well be the right one!
- Local parts place wants about £55+vat for a new start and soleniode pair in exchange for the old, which assuming its a decent quality part and i get the right model sounds a good route out.


Daniel

file out the holes in the starter motor a little bit. that should allow you move it a little bit further away.

another thing to check. is your gearbox properly aligned to the engine? could it be possible that some of the alignment dowels are bent?

As to the original (mechanical) issue, could you not file the bolt holes slightly on the starter to adjust the mesh?? Don't go to far or you will strip the starter/flywheel teeth

Cheers

Dan

I guess i could start filling out holes, maybe thats the best route. Although does it not have a positive alignment on the flange around the spigot support?
- Intesteding suggestion about checking the engine/belhousing alinement. As you say that would throw it out for sure.


Daniel

Have you the metal plate between the engine and the box I've heard that few mm can make a difference.

By any chance is the CVH from a FWD car -- FWD CVH used a different starter with finner teeth on the drive gear

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Originally posted by britishtrident
By any chance is the CVH from a FWD car -- FWD CVH used a different starter with finner teeth on the drive gear

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Originally posted by johnston
Have you the metal plate between the engine and the box I've heard that few mm can make a difference.

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Originally posted by britishtrident
By any chance is the CVH from a FWD car -- FWD CVH used a different starter with finner teeth on the drive gear

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Photos of flywheel.
- More i look at it the more the mesh looks all wrong.
http://img43.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=dscn9229tb.jpg

You need a starter motor from a ford sierra 1.8 ( which is a cvh engine ). also will need the flywheel and clutch plates

the 1.6 fly wheel is different to the FWD cars... i don't think the start is the standard pinto starter either.

you will also need a spacer plate between the starter and the bellhousing.

Should really have the one whole one between the engine and box but you can get away with not having it.

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Originally posted by yellow melos
You need a starter motor from a ford sierra 1.8 , which is a cvh engine , also will need the flywheel and clutch plates

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FWD flywheel = Sierra CVH/DOHC starter
The only flywheel i know of that matches the Pinto starter motor is from either a Morgan 4/4, early Westfield or a Scimitar SS1...guess how i know?

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Originally posted by ss1turbo
FWD flywheel = Sierra CVH/DOHC starter

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The difference between FWD and RWD starter motors is the throw of the pinion; if yours is a little lazy anyway that won't help.

That looks to be an RS2000 bellhousing, in which case thats been used many times on here, and the normal combo (FWD flywheel and Sierra CVH/DOHC starter) works fine (or rather i've heard of no problems).

By the looks of the teeth on the pinion gear, it's either not been engaging or (more likely) not been releasing proerly which points to a sticky starter anyway.