I live in Sweden and here the emissions requirements are a bit different. Either you can use almost any engine and pay a penalty fee of 7000 SEK
(about 450 GBP) or spend that money on a modern engine, i.e. one with lambda probe, coal canniser and cat.
Currently I'm mostly interested in the MK Indy so it can take a bit larger engines. Obviously a Pinto would be the obvious choise since
that's what it's made for, but there aren't that many Pintos around that fullfill the emissions requirements.
I'm considering Zetec as well as locat engines such as Volvo and the rather bizarre Saab/Opel combination. Any other ideas? What will fit in an
Indy chassis?
perhaps someone thats using a zetec can answer, but lets see if I can provoke a response for you.
Dont use a zetec.
They are crap.
Its a woosies engine.
Seriously, I have read that to get one working, you need to make a few mods to the setup like ecu, clutch, whatever, and I once saw on here quite a
costly detailed list of what needs doing.
you will also need a cat to meet your rules I recon and thats gonna be hard to position.
You might be better / cheaper paying the surcharge.
Someone with a zetec step forward please!
atb
steve
What about the CVH then? I was reccomended a EFI from an Escort XR3i or any post 1991 Escort. It's said to fit the Mk1/Mk2 Escort gearbox.
I know Martin at MK built at least two full examples with Zetec in, I have a couple of photos. I think the only mod was to lower plenum chamber to
fit under bonnet on earlier car, it may even fit under taller Indy!
Rob Lane
These are Zetec. (hope this works)
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Should have been two, ah well :-
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If you have to pay a penalty for a "dirty" engine, would such engines not be cheap.
Therefore, give the taxman his bit, and go for any engine you like!
Perhaps?
ATB
Simon
Actualy the penalty fee is just for amateur build vehicles so it really don't have any noticable inpact on the pricing. Ofcourse older engines is
cheaper just because they are older, but I think the 7000 can more than enough make up for the difference in cost (I suppose that's the idea).
cost of fold engine + 7000 > cost of new engine
Rob
I thought I had seen on here stuff like you need an ECU mod to make it work outside of a mondeo, cos its part of the security system. Plus gearbox
shaft lenghts, clutches, and a whole loada other ancilliary crap.
I didnt imagine it.....im sure......could be that the carb conversion is a major cost in the 1000 quid I have in my head.
atb
steve
I think both cars used 5 speeds from Sierras.
The ECU was from early cars maybe? Martin knows, he was telling me details and I was all fired up to use one but had reports of many engines from
breakers failing after short mileage. maybe they already had many miles on clock anyway!
He didn't do anything spectacular but he did lower plenum.
I found out about the 4 age in meantime and liked that better.
Would really like that 20v in for sale section, yummy!
I'm sure I've seen cost sheets for converting a zetec to run in a Tiger Cat which ran to thousands (someone called Toyne I think). As I
remember there were problems with the ECU , gearbox mating, problems changing from transverse to longitudinal engine arrangement......
If it really isn't a problem to do it then why isn't it more popular? I'd have though a 150bhp 2 litre zetec would be preferable to a
100bhp 2 litre pinto anyday?
Eddie
I'm confused. Some Sierras are said to have the DOHC engine. Is that another engine altogether or just a version of the Pinto?
Hello,
The Double OverHead Cam (DOHC) engine is different again to the Pinto and the Zetec. It was bought in around 1989 to replace the pinto in the
sierra (details of which models/dates had it are on a site called crustworld I think).
It isn't very popular. It seems to have not got the benefits of either the pinto (easily tuned and all potential problems have already been
experienced by other people) or the zetec (much more power than the pinto).
Eddie
quote:
Originally posted by liftarn
I'm confused. Some Sierras are said to have the DOHC engine. Is that another engine altogether or just a version of the Pinto?
Ok, I looked into it and the DOHC seems quite decent. Perhaps not very tunable or powerfull, but it fullfills the emissions requirements and should provide more than enough power for a seven for road use.
I think it has a better torque curve than the Pinto... on the other hand it might not. I'll let you know when my build is complete.
In about 10 years..
JonB
PS, Crustworld is at http://www.crustworld.co.uk/
At http://error.netilium.org/~lupus/ there are som pictures of a Locost build with Saab engine and Opel Omega gearbox. Very tempting, but perhaps not for beginners.
maybe a useful link on sierra engines:
http://www.crustworld.co.uk/sierra/techspec/engines.html
Ned.
Yes, I've read that text, but obviously Sierras with CVH weren't sold in Sweden or are at least very rare so for a clean Sierra engine ith's either the 89-90 Pinto or DOHC.
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Originally posted by Rob Lane
These are Zetec.