DANMAN
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| posted on 18/9/13 at 11:36 PM |
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Calling Flatshift experts! Pro-Shift Vs Flatshifter Pro Vs Other.
I am looking to add clutchless upshifts and clutchless downshifts (possibly with throttle blipping) to my ST Blade using my existing cable operated
paddles and am trying to decide which way is the best to go. I am worried about gearbox damage (after knackering 4th gear dogs at Winton and having to
replace the box) and also want to get smoother shifts so it is easier on the drive train. It would be good if it can also be reasonably functional at
lower round town speeds. Has anyone used both of these products and if so how do they compare? Or are there other alternatives out there?
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Twin40
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| posted on 19/9/13 at 07:03 AM |
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Hi,
I'm running the Flatshifter expert (which i am certainly not) and so far it hasn't been the best experience. I've never been able to
get the downshift unit to work, even though I had AB performance fit the complete kit, and even sent the unit back to flatshifter for a rebuild.
I've also experienced missed gears and dodgy upshifts, which now has destroyed the clutch.
I'm not saying this is specific to the Flatshifter unit, I imagine 90% is down to system setup. However don't assume its a simple plug and
play item!
C.
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russbost
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| posted on 19/9/13 at 08:16 AM |
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First I am no expert on either system, just learning about the Flatshifter range. I would think for your purposes you would want the Flatshifter
Expert, not the Pro, Pro is aimed at road use, Expert for track
"Flatshifter Expert Racing Quickshifter you still change gear manually using your gear-lever
The latest version the Flatshifter Expert also enables full or part throttle clutchless up shifts and clutchless downshifts, but is designed for race
or performance driver use ie fast road driving track days and motorsport use, amongst other improvements & upgrades it enables faster and more
down shifts (approximately 4 in 1 second) and has a unique soft restore feature to bring the ignition cut back in softly so that when changing gear in
the wet or mid corner etc. it is far less likely that you will unsettle your car or motorcycle, the Expert system also has our intelligent ignition
cut system , the Expert kit is only £100 GBP more at £749.00 GBP than the Pro system,works on its own or with the Flatshifter Max electric gear
selector system ."
Re the damage to gears etc. this is from a race organisation in the States who've been using their (Flatshifter) products
"Lawrence we hear it often said that quickshifters can damage your gearbox, have you stripped and checked your gearbox after a championship
winning season using the Flatshifter Expert system. any comments please??
Hello Graham,
We have not seen any abnormal wear beyond what a racing does to transmission. It actually looks better than average."
Obviously as has already been said I'm sure a lot is in the setup, but I'm lead to believe they are relatively straightforward to fit. If
you decide on Flatshifter then I should be able to order for you & get you a small discount if that's of any help
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gaz_gaz
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| posted on 19/9/13 at 08:22 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Twin40
Hi,
I'm running the Flatshifter expert (which i am certainly not) and so far it hasn't been the best experience. I've never been able to
get the downshift unit to work, even though I had AB performance fit the complete kit, and even sent the unit back to flatshifter for a rebuild.
I've also experienced missed gears and dodgy upshifts, which now has destroyed the clutch.
I'm not saying this is specific to the Flatshifter unit, I imagine 90% is down to system setup. However don't assume its a simple plug and
play item!
C.
That's quite worrying, I just bought the expert system and had planned to have AB install it so there where no issues at all as my next outing
is Spa next month.
If its going to require "adjusting" I may just leave it until I get back.
Also worth noting the prices listed are plus VAT
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grazo
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| posted on 19/9/13 at 07:28 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by DANMAN
I am looking to add clutchless upshifts and clutchless downshifts (possibly with throttle blipping) to my ST Blade using my existing cable operated
paddles and am trying to decide which way is the best to go. I am worried about gearbox damage (after knackering 4th gear dogs at Winton and having to
replace the box) and also want to get smoother shifts so it is easier on the drive train. It would be good if it can also be reasonably functional at
lower round town speeds. Has anyone used both of these products and if so how do they compare? Or are there other alternatives out there?
Hi ,
This is graham from Flatshifter, please give us a call and we will get your problems sorted out , there are 100`s of these systems in use with lots
of extremely happy customers, latest letter from wealden engineering rec about 3 weeks ago.
HI Graham,
We have very successfully run an early version of the quickshifter/flatshifter gearchange system for the last 10 years on an OMS Sprint car, and
having studied all of the available makes and types of systems available for a lightweight motor cycle engined single seater for the new car we have
constructed for this seasons racing, I decided to use the latest version the Flatshifter Expert This system is a very well engineered yet simple
system, easy to install and set up, a real " Plug and Play" in modern terminology. I became very aware of the overly complicated and
programmer reliant systems made by other manufacturers, and of course the significant price differences when these systems require replacement ECUs
and other major components.
Having installed the Flatshifter Expert to a Gen2 Hayabusa, with the Flatshifter electronic paddle shift, we have now run the car in two events, both
without any faults in the system and winning FTD at Goodwood in only our second time out. I continue to be totally impressed by this system and fully
recommend it to others. (FTD = Fastest Time of the Day)
FRANK CATT - WEALDEN ENGINEERING DEVELOPMENTS
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Twin40
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| posted on 20/9/13 at 02:01 PM |
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Hi Graham,
As I stated previously - I'll probably find that most of the problems we've experienced is due to the lack of my 'experience'
on using these systems! I'll give you guys a call next week for some help.
Thanks.
Clive.
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DANMAN
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| posted on 22/9/13 at 07:39 AM |
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Thanks for the replies. Seems that there isn't a great deal of experiences for me to go off though. I am worried that I'll end up having
to replace another gearbox, particularly when it comes to downshifting which is why I was hoping to hear from those who have used these units in anger
and whether they save boxes or knacker them? I don't mind spending the extra on a Pro-Shift system if it is better but don't want to spend
my money on either if they aren't going to be kind to the gear box.
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hobbsy
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| posted on 22/9/13 at 07:58 AM |
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Take a look at geartronics.co.uk and the closed loop section. Anything that runs a fixed cut has potential to cause damage IMHO. However that said
I'm running an early flatshifter system but did go through a gearbox (see avatar).
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grazo
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| posted on 22/9/13 at 10:02 AM |
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Hi Graham from Flatshifter again, another customer feedback letter below from a long term user of the Expert system he has businesses across America
rebuilding and reconditions gearbox`s.
regards
Graham
Hi Graham,
VIR In-car video is up on YouTube!! Check it out and it will show you how awesome your system works.
It worked great at VIR! We won both races and we set a new track record by 1.1 seconds! (Expert system)
Feel free to use it or any of my videos for your promotion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfoQ01ZoxcY&feature=channel_video_title
Thank you,
Lawrence ********
Vice President of Manufacturing
'10 DSR National Champion USA
'09,'10 Cendiv DSR Champion
'05,'07 Cendiv EP Champion
'06 P National Champion USA
Question to Lawrence (above) a gearbox manufacturer / repairer & racer.
Lawrence we hear it often said that quickshifters can damage your gearbox, have you stripped and checked your gearbox after a championship winning
season using the Flatshifter Expert system. any comments please??
Hello Graham,
We have not seen any abnormal wear beyond what a racing does to transmission. It actually looks better than average.
Other than that, we have won every race except one where we decided to run intermediate tires in heavy rain and finished 4th. We also have set a new
track record every race weekend. Been quite a fantastic season.
Thank you,
Lawrence Loshak
Vice President of Manufacturing
"ETE-Reman - Your Better Than New Choice"
2012 Season Yes, we’ve had a pretty good season, 1 2nd, 3 wins, 2 track records and 1 DNF when in 1st place during first race of the season.
TextWe have not seen any abnormal wear beyond what a racing does to transmission. It actually looks better than average.
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