donut
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| posted on 9/3/05 at 07:36 AM |
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Justice!
Andy
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andywest1/
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Deckman001
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| posted on 9/3/05 at 08:51 AM |
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Shame it wasn't a speed trap van though !!
Jason
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chunkielad
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| posted on 9/3/05 at 08:58 AM |
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When the clamper comes back for the money, his van is going to have the hardest inspection of it's life!!
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clbarclay
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| posted on 9/3/05 at 03:32 PM |
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Now all we need is a clamper clamping the van of another clamper.
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Hellfire
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| posted on 16/3/05 at 01:04 AM |
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That's good enough for me... 
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DarrenW
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| posted on 16/3/05 at 10:51 AM |
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They should have towed it away.
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Cita
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| posted on 16/3/05 at 06:25 PM |
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A phone call to some "proffesional car strippers" from down town New York would turn this car into a bare frame in no time.
That would be a laugh!
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donut
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| posted on 17/3/05 at 07:25 AM |
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They should put it on 'Pimp My Ride'
Andy
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andywest1/
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 17/3/05 at 08:11 PM |
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talking of justice - did anyone see what they did to that guy in iran yesterday that was convicted of killing 20 kids..... ?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4355029.stm
atb
steve
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gazza285
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| posted on 17/3/05 at 08:33 PM |
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Some deterrent. Meanwhile we are letting a convicted cannibal out of Broadmoor........
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macspeedy
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| posted on 17/3/05 at 10:15 PM |
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kill two birds with one stone capital punishment deterrent to criminals and it would make some space in our overcrowded prisons
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Simon
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| posted on 19/3/05 at 10:05 PM |
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Once Wembley's been rebuilt, we can (in preference over that crappy game they're gonna play in it) chuck in some gallows, the odd
guillotine, half a dozen flogging posts, some surgeons for the HD&Q.
Reckon that place would sell out. And you could do it pay per view
If you want prisons to be less full, try making them not so appealing in the first place.
Concrete floors, concete beds no windows, just bars and no heating. In cells 24 hours a day, no parole.
ATB
Simon the Simpathetic
[Edited on 19/3/05 by Simon]
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 19/3/05 at 10:46 PM |
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didnt you once post something indicating you were a practicing christian?
or have you given up, or was I wrong?
football is a way better sport than F1 is at the moment. you can get very unpredictable results. Like greece won euro 2004. like, who won F1 for the
last several years!
atb
steve
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JoelP
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| posted on 19/3/05 at 11:03 PM |
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im with simon here, not capital punishment but in prisons you should be more afraid of the system than of other inmates - once you establish your
place in the pecking order its like a holiday. (not that id know, of course...)
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Hellfire
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| posted on 19/3/05 at 11:40 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by macspeedy
kill two birds with one stone capital punishment deterrent to criminals and it would make some space in our overcrowded prisons
Who had that in their manifesto would win the next election - the only way tory/libdem would win sadly - but I bet it would work!
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 20/3/05 at 11:19 PM |
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capital punishment is a throwback to the middle ages that will never ever come back.
even if the liberals (hanging isnt exactly liberal is it?) won, they couldnt bring back hanging without leaving the EEC cos its against EEC european
rights.
FFS people cant even stop kids wearing non school uniform on religious grounds cos its against human rights!
In the usa, they seem to have this thing where the individual feels he needs a gun to protect himself from the state.
bringing back hanging is giving all the power to the state.
many innocents have been hanged - the system isnt perfect enough to kill as a punishment. Even when it did, we had travesties like in the bentley
case, where he 'let him have it' and got 8 years, and the guy that was with him got executed at 18 just for being there.
thats nuts. And in america they just recently approved a law to forbid execution of 16 - 18 year olds.
this isnt civilisation.
we all get upset when some asshole murders a 6 year old girl. it seems right to kill then. but wouldnt having your freedom taken away fo ever, in a
prision, in many ways, be much worse?
atb
steve
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flak monkey
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| posted on 20/3/05 at 11:34 PM |
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No to capital punishment....
The way to do it is to make being in prison like being in hell...not the holiday it seems to be at the moment. Then it would be better to lock people
away for life (and i mean life not 20yrs). Give people proper sentences for serious crimes (not the odd few months, but more like years). Yes i know
prison space is an issue...
Prison should be unpleasent and hard work IMO.
Or you could send people to some sort of boot camp (for those that arent really dangerous, just lacking in certain social understandings) to knock
some sense into them.
David
Sera
http://www.motosera.com
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Simon
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| posted on 20/3/05 at 11:48 PM |
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Steve,
I think where there is no doubt whatsoever (ie caught in the act) then death by whatever means is not unreasonable. After all, it's the
taxpayer who has to keep these people alive.
I honestly don't see why I should pay to keep scum like Huntley ot Sutcliffe alive.
If the state doesn't want to do it, have an eyelet bolted to the cell ceiling and a length of rope and let them (the "condemned"
take the "easy" way out.
ATB
Simon
PS As for practicing Christian, look at it this way (science view) - Once upon a time the whole universe (and all it's matter/mass) was once a
singularity a couple of feet across which for no reason whatsoever decided to explode (though it didn't for untold millenia before). Then we
have the randomness of the creation of life. If it were to happen again (history following the Big Bang) apparantley life probably
wouldn't occur!! The odds are too high.
The religious view - we know the story and I'm more inclined to go with that one. Whether God is a bloke with a beard or a superintelligent
alien (Slatibartfast and crew perhaps?) seeding the universe I don't know. Whether Christ was the Son of God I don't know, but I do
believe he had point and his teachings are of benefit to all.
I wouldn't say I was practising regularly, but we are hoping to get to an service at Easter.
One further point:
And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
-- Exodus 21: 23-25
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JoelP
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| posted on 21/3/05 at 08:40 AM |
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preachers hat on...
jesus changed the eye for the eye bit by dying on a cross and taking responsibility for our sins (in so far as we are his creations).
i too am a non practicing christian, ie i had enough practice as a child! the basics are true though, IMHO, much as simon says.
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stephen_gusterson
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| posted on 21/3/05 at 10:40 PM |
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interesting, the point about life not being by chance.
given an infinite amount of time, then surely anything could happen.
and the fact we are here shows it did.
unless you beleive the matrix film, in whcih case its all an illusion, and we are all AA cells wired in series
most of what the bible says is contradictory.
if you take the eye for an eye bit, you cant equate it with the basic christian premise of forgiveness, or turning the other cheek.
up for a bit of sharia law then?
atb
steve
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JoelP
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| posted on 21/3/05 at 10:55 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by stephen_gusterson
most of what the bible says is contradictory.
absolutely, its mostly a bunch of stories made up for an uneducated public. noah? my ass...
quote:
if you take the eye for an eye bit, you cant equate it with the basic christian premise of forgiveness, or turning the other cheek.
up for a bit of sharia law then?
atb
steve
as said, stuff changes. the eye for an eye bit is the old testament, forgiveness first cropped up in the new testament.
sharia law is violent trash, IMHO.
damn you got me started...
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