scoobyis2cool
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| posted on 10/8/05 at 06:28 PM |
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Running engine without camshaft cover
Can this be done? Won't oil spray everywhere?
Cheers,
Pete
It's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care...
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Ben_Copeland
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| posted on 10/8/05 at 06:42 PM |
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Depends on how much oil is sprayed around really. Seen it done on a few bmw engines with little oil spray.
God knows what your engine would be like tho tbh
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ernie
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| posted on 10/8/05 at 06:44 PM |
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If a cross flow oil will be everywhere, I tried it!!
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 10/8/05 at 06:56 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by ernie
If a cross flow oil will be everywhere, I tried it!!
I'm surprised, as crossflows are OHC and IME you can nearly always run OHC engines without the cover on, at least at idle.
It does of course screw up any crankcase breathing/emissions stuff if fitted which might lead to a rough idle.
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britishtrident
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| posted on 10/8/05 at 07:14 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MikeRJ
quote:
Originally posted by ernie
If a cross flow oil will be everywhere, I tried it!!
I'm surprised, as crossflows are OHC and IME you can nearly always run OHC engines without the cover on, at least at idle.
It does of course screw up any crankcase breathing/emissions stuff if fitted which might lead to a rough idle.
???? !!!!!!!
Xflo = OHV
Pinto = OHC
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scoobyis2cool
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| posted on 10/8/05 at 09:33 PM |
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I'll give it a go tomorrow and hope it's ok - will be interesting to watch it all in action even if I do get covered in oil 
Pete
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NS Dev
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| posted on 10/8/05 at 09:44 PM |
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If you've got a spare cam cover about then you can cut the top out of it. We used to do that on the old opel Cam-In-Head (cross between OHC and
OHV) engines when setting up the rockers, tightening the adjusters with it running. (not that you can do that on the pinto!!)
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scoobyis2cool
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| posted on 10/8/05 at 09:46 PM |
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I have got a spare cover actually so that's a possibility, don't think I fancy sticking any spanners in while it's running though!
Pete
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MikeRJ
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| posted on 10/8/05 at 09:48 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by britishtrident
Xflo = OHV
Pinto = OHC
A slip of the keyboard! I've run A series engines without a rocker cover, and you get negligible oil spillage unless you rev the tits of it.
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NS Dev
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| posted on 10/8/05 at 09:52 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scoobyis2cool
I have got a spare cover actually so that's a possibility, don't think I fancy sticking any spanners in while it's running though!
Pete
No, I wouldn't! On the old Opel engines it was pretty safe and actually recommended procedure, but on them the adjuster nuts stick straight up
at you and are tall so a socket sits on them on it's own quite nicely.
Pinto is a pain in the arse to do the adjustments on, the threads are too coarse and the stud always moves when you wind up the locknut!
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scoobyis2cool
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| posted on 10/8/05 at 09:55 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by NS DevPinto is a pain in the arse to do the adjustments on, the threads are too coarse and the stud always moves
when you wind up the locknut!
As I discovered first hand today Especially over the side with the carb, could do with taking it off really
Pete
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mookaloid
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| posted on 10/8/05 at 10:02 PM |
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It is written in many places that you should check that the spray bar is squirting correctly by running the engine with the cover off.
I have done this very briefly (about 10 seconds) just to check this.
Oil sprays a bit but if you put some sheets out over the bodywork either side of the motor it will catch most of it
Cheers
Mark
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mookaloid
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| posted on 10/8/05 at 10:06 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scoobyis2cool
quote:
Originally posted by NS DevPinto is a pain in the arse to do the adjustments on, the threads are too coarse and the stud always moves
when you wind up the locknut!
As I discovered first hand today Especially over the side with the carb, could do with taking it off really
Pete
You can get a special spanner for adjusting Pinto tappets when a carb is fitted usually on ebay for about a tenner.
there aren't any just now though - I looked
Cheers
Mark
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NS Dev
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| posted on 10/8/05 at 10:07 PM |
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If you chop the top out of a spare cover with the angle grinder, tidy up the sharp edges, give it a clean and bung it on with four bolts, it'll
stop the worst of the oil splash and still let you see the oil sprays etc.
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scoobyis2cool
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| posted on 10/8/05 at 10:12 PM |
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What happens if the bar isn't spraying properly? Presumably the lobes will wear quickly? Anything more serious?
Pete
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Avoneer
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| posted on 10/8/05 at 10:21 PM |
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Yep, but turn the engine over only with no plugs in.
Oil will drip from the bar (hopefully) and will not spray everywhere.
Done this several times.
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mookaloid
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| posted on 10/8/05 at 10:23 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by scoobyis2cool
What happens if the bar isn't spraying properly? Presumably the lobes will wear quickly? Anything more serious?
Pete
Absolutely right the oil should be squirting straight on to the middle of the cam lobes.
Occasionally due to a bit of crud or a bad drilling in the bar the oil squirts to the side missing the cam lobe resulting in rapid wear.
It would be a shame to go and fit a new cam only to have it disintegrate within a couple of hundred miles because the spray bar wasn't checked
first.
It's the one major weak point of pintos.
Cheers
Mark
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G.Man
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| posted on 11/8/05 at 06:36 AM |
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Take the plugs out and spin it over on the starter...
thats the way we used to check pinto spray bars...
Opinions are like backsides..
Everyone has one, nobody wants to hear it and only other peoples stink!
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rusty nuts
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| posted on 11/8/05 at 05:55 PM |
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Seems like a lot of bother when pinto spray bars shouldn't be too much money . If in doubt replace it , not worth the risk using a suspect item
! cheaper in the long run.
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scoobyis2cool
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| posted on 11/8/05 at 05:59 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by rusty nuts
Seems like a lot of bother when pinto spray bars shouldn't be too much money . If in doubt replace it , not worth the risk using a suspect item
! cheaper in the long run.
It's not that I think it needs replacing, I'm just interested to see the engine running with the top off and all the valves moving etc.
I've had the engine running for a while now with no problems so I don't think there's anything wrong with it, just curious
Pete
[Edited on 11/8/05 by scoobyis2cool]
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