quote:Originally posted by fishywick
You asked for advice on Pistonheads on 8th Sept, the first line of the first reply was this......
"Check the log book says Sylva or raw striker on it and not escort/Sierra/dutton/robinhood etc. It should describe the car. If not walk
away"
That wasn't me but it was very sound advice, and still is.
You're right - and I just thought 'oh no' when I heard that. But despite that I thought there would be a way to rectify it without
having to take every panel off and rebuild the entire car to demonstrate I'd built it.
Perhaps I should put some photos up to demonstrate? But I can't put too many - nothing that would identify the car etc.
I've saved and saved (hard when you've got 3 kids, the mortgage etc etc) and tbh it's now or never. Next yr we've chosen to go
private on education for the kids - everything I earn will go into that.
That's why I'm upset. Just see it as a last chance tbh
If you think you will be buying a huge bargain, remember it will be an illegal one. So will possibly end up costing you.
Posting pics might help but reality is that unless it has some really nice components then 1.4 k series striker isn't really going to be worth
that much let alone one that is not correctly registered. So unless it's under £2k and you have another £1500 to £2k to spend, then you are on a
road to nowhere in my opinion.
Listen carefully to the advice you have asked for and been given
quote:Originally posted by Oi_Oi_Savaloy
[I thought there would be a way to rectify it without having to take every panel off and rebuild the entire car to demonstrate I'd built it.
You dont have to prove you built it. You could drive it from purchase to IVA and theres a small chance it would pass first time. Chances are there
some things that need work. Most likely emissions, interior/exterior projections.
quote:Originally posted by kingster996
It really does not matter how honest or honourable the seller is, the car is a ringer. Full stop. End of.
Chances are that sooner or later the DVLA or VOSA will get wind of it and you're screwed. Or you have an accident and you're screwed.
Therefore in order to work out if you should buy it, you need to ascertain if the value of the components (less the time taken to strip and sell) are
worth the asking price. Or alternatively if the added cost and potentially huge amount of hassle to get it IVA'd is worth the asking price.
The reality is that there are probsnly loads of legit kit cars out there for sale at this time of year that will end up costing you less in time and
money.
yes to injection, yes to cat converter but that letter.......no chance I think.
I'm really upset - I'd totally bought into this car mentally. No money has changed hands as yet - car is being mot'd etc etc prior
to pick up.
quote:Originally posted by Oi_Oi_Savaloy
[I thought there would be a way to rectify it without having to take every panel off and rebuild the entire car to demonstrate I'd built it.
You dont have to prove you built it. You could drive it from purchase to IVA and theres a small chance it would pass first time. Chances are there
some things that need work. Most likely emissions, interior/exterior projections.
Thanks Kingster996 - I do hear you and the excellent advice I've received.
Just trying to find a way to stand by my word (I've given him my word etc etc). Incidentally it's fine on emissions (I realise
that's incidental and there are far more serious things potentially but at least that's something).
Read most of the thread and the car simply screams "ringer" to me - stay away!
It may or may not have been the seller that put the car in that state, but whatever the "story" it'll cost you £1k+ to put it right
(IVA, registration etc.).
Whilst I'm a lover of cars, including kit cars, they should be tested and registered correctly or it WILL bite you on the backside. For example
if the insurer has any suspicion the car is different from what they been asked to insure they may well refute the policy and not pay out o you or
another party. To me that situation just doesn't bear thinking about. Monies in insurance claims can get out of hand very quickly
The problem you will have is when you have bought it and apply for the logbook it will be refused, it's almost certainly flagged at the DVLA
especially if they refused the engine change.
Nothing about this suggests to me the guy selling it is honourable, just good enough talker to convince you. But once you have bought it its your
problem.
Correctly IVA'ing and registering a kit built car legitimises it so anyone not doing so is running an illegitimate car and the risk of
invalidated insurance etc etc etc.
If you were buying an unfinished & unregistered kit would you still buy it for the money? 'cos that's what you would be buying.
IMO this is not the time to let your head rule your heart but we have all been there - just be clear on what you are getting into. The fact it is
illegally registered should be your cue to really beat him down on price even more. This should be really dirt cheap not because you have to IVA it
but because he's selling you an illegal car!
quote:Originally posted by Oi_Oi_Savaloy
Just trying to find a way to stand by my word (I've given him my word etc etc). Incidentally it's fine on emissions (I realise
that's incidental and there are far more serious things potentially but at least that's something).
Emissions for Mot will be easy, as being a Q it only needs to not show visable smoke, for IVA you would need to prove engine age and for that one
occasion the emissions would be based on figures comparable to the fitted engine (so mid 90s emissions).
One other point, if you need more, if you get stopped by the police and they decide it's a ringer it's crushed so you will have nothing to
show for your spend, you may also get done for other things like no insurance, invalid mot to mention a couple. I would not take the risk unless it
was well under £1k.
I've got a Striker and they certainly can be got through the test.
My suggestion is to think about this a bit differently - and if you proceed to buy it, do that a bit differently too..
My striker was SVA tested and is/was road legal - I say the latter as for the last few years it's been SORN'ed and we've only used
it for events/track days - it's not seen a road..
You could treat this car the same?
If the car is worth it's price - without the number plates and registration documents - and you get a nice track day / competition car out of it
then Buy It - but buy it without the number plates and documents, leave them with him - they're his problem and you don't want or need
them IMHO.
If it's not worth the Current price as a pure track / competition car, then re-negotiate the price with him until it is
quote:Originally posted by loggyboy
A striker was built, someone purchased a dutton (or the remnants of one, possibly just the V5!), put the number plate and VIN on the the Striker
chassis.
[Edited on 11-9-17 by loggyboy]
But it's on a Q plate? Why would anyone buy a dutton V5 to Q plate it, why not just register it from scratch?
because it bypasses the cost and effort of passing an IVA. It may look well put together, but if it was built in the knowledge it wasn't going
to pass anything more than an MOT, I would hazard a guess a great deal of time/effort and probably cash will be needed.
But it wouldn't get a Q if it was using a dutton reg. It would get the dutton reg?
quote:
quote:
Originally posted by cliftyhanger
quote:
Originally posted by coyoteboy
quote:
Originally posted by loggyboy
A striker was built, someone purchased a dutton (or the remnants of one, possibly just the V5!), put the number plate and VIN on the the Striker
chassis.
[Edited on 11-9-17 by loggyboy]
But it's on a Q plate? Why would anyone buy a dutton V5 to Q plate it, why not just register it from scratch?
because it bypasses the cost and effort of passing an IVA. It may look well put together, but if it was built in the knowledge it wasn't going
to pass anything more than an MOT, I would hazard a guess a great deal of time/effort and probably cash will be needed.
But it wouldn't get a Q if it was using a dutton reg. It would get the dutton reg?
It looks like you have made your mind up but unless it is £2k I would not bother. Decent legal striker is no more than £6K in the winter and I am sure
one will come up by xmas.
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Building: Brownie points to put it back together
posted on 12/9/17 at 03:22 PM
quote:Originally posted by SJ
quote:
quote:
Originally posted by cliftyhanger
quote:
Originally posted by coyoteboy
quote:
Originally posted by loggyboy
A striker was built, someone purchased a dutton (or the remnants of one, possibly just the V5!), put the number plate and VIN on the the Striker
chassis.
[Edited on 11-9-17 by loggyboy]
But it's on a Q plate? Why would anyone buy a dutton V5 to Q plate it, why not just register it from scratch?
because it bypasses the cost and effort of passing an IVA. It may look well put together, but if it was built in the knowledge it wasn't going
to pass anything more than an MOT, I would hazard a guess a great deal of time/effort and probably cash will be needed.
But it wouldn't get a Q if it was using a dutton reg. It would get the dutton reg?
At the end of the day, it's your money and your call.
But every single person on here is pretty much saying "walk away" - or at the very least treat it as an unregistered track car of
exceedingly dubious parentage!
What you need to ask is WHY?
Why would someone build a 'well put together' car with 'lots of build photos' etc and then not register it correctly?
Money? Well, the IVA and reg will cost you around £500 assuming you have built it to pass (potentially a lot more if you haven't)
- so how much did a Dutton V5 cost in comparison? Bearing in mind that the car would always be worth way more as a legal one, it must have needed more
spending on it to pass than just the fee to justify the cost of a dead Dutton - so what's wrong with it?
Time? It's much quicker and easier to stamp up a chassis than it is to IVA and then deal with the DVLA - so maybe the builder had some
reason to want to be on the road that was worth losing money for - can't think of one mind?
Theft? Maybe the Sylva was stolen and then the Dutton identity grafted on to sell it on - certainly one reason to remove a legit Sylva chassis
number and replace it with another before punting it out to an uneducated buyer.
Accident Damage Maybe the car has been a write off and to disguise the fact that it had serious damage a new identity was grafted on?
The other issue here is that the Striker is well known as a really sweet handling track car - so I'm sure plenty of buyers would want a decent
one - BUT now that it has had the original Sylva chassis numbers ground off and replaced with dodgy Dutton ones, it is potentially longer going
to be seen a "real" Sylva by those in the know - in fact who knows what chassis is under there and who welded it up for that matter. Then
even if you choose to IVA it - can you prove it's a Sylva to the next buyer without a 'proper' chassis number as evidence?
Whatever happens, this car will always be worth way less than a genuine Striker - so once again, unless it is for buttons (relatively speaking) and
you actually want all the hassle, don't buy it.
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Building: Hatred of Loughborough's Speed Humps
posted on 12/9/17 at 04:19 PM
quote:Originally posted by The Knobs
Decent legal striker is no more than £6K in the winter and I am sure one will come up by xmas.
Unless a seller is merely listing for enjoyment purposes, or attempting to instil a sense of warmth within himself over the 'value' of his
car, then £6K is more than ample. Cars do sometimes come up where the seller actually wants to part with it, so yes, just wait a while.
Most cars will be known by folk on here, so that might help.
Plenty of absolute crap out there masquerading as something that might be desirable, caveat emptor, if in any doubt whatsoever simply walk away.
If he was to go down the project >IVA route. How would he stand on not having receipts for the components. Or is this
just a requirement to get new/age related registration?
quote:Originally posted by Oi_Oi_SavaloyHe tried to change the engine size (wrote to the DVLA) but they refused to acknowledge this as they
felt he was trying to go down a level on the car tax?
I've registered a change of tax class on 2 cars - both pre 2001 going down a bracket (1.6 CVH to 1.3 CVH and 1.6 CVH to 1.4K series) with no
real problems outside the usual DVLA ineptitude, so I have to question your assessment of the sellers honesty?
The dvla can be awkward on changing the engine size. I tried to to change mine and they wouldn't believe me even though I was increasing the
engine size.
quote:Originally posted by SJ
The dvla can be awkward on changing the engine size. I tried to to change mine and they wouldn't believe me even though I was increasing the
engine size.
They will insist on the right info being provided but they can't "refuse to acknowledge".
quote:
uote:
Originally posted by SJ
The dvla can be awkward on changing the engine size. I tried to to change mine and they wouldn't believe me even though I was increasing the
engine size.
They will insist on the right info being provided but they can't "refuse to acknowledge".
In my case it was nothing to do with information. It was evidence they wanted in the form of an engineers report. If by 'refuse to
acknowledge' you mean make no changes despite being informed, then that is exactly what they did.
quote:Originally posted by Toys2
If he was to go down the project >IVA route. How would he stand on not having receipts for the components. Or is this
just a requirement to get new/age related registration?
Part source is not relevant for IVA (only engine age for emissions)
For DVLa registration, where you dont have 2 major donor parts, or receipts for all new major components, you will get a Q.
quote:Originally posted by Toys2
If he was to go down the project >IVA route. How would he stand on not having receipts for the components. Or is this
just a requirement to get new/age related registration?
Part source is not relevant for IVA (only engine age for emissions)
For DVLa registration, where you dont have 2 major donor parts, or receipts for all new major components, you will get a Q.
Good to know, I've not been through the IVA, I built a Cobra - pre SVA, now I run a Striker that was already registered on a Q before I got it
