kensprin
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 posted on 23/7/10 at 09:59 PM |
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V6 engine
Hi fellas, I thinking of ripping out my 2.8 v6 cologne engine from my robin. Still pulls like a train but i'm thinking of upgrading to another
v6 lighter and something producing about 200bhp.
The one I had in mind is the 2.9 scorpio cosworth. but I think this engine is heavy too.
any recommendations would be great.
P.s I would like to retain a v6, I got a thing about having an exhaust each side.
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 23/7/10 at 10:02 PM |
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Ive got a 2.9 Cosworth for sale, and itll go straight in. 230hp out of the box, and ive got the throttle bodies and inlet flanges cut to make them
fit. Never got that far, as i decided to go back to renault engine and supercharge it.
See here for original post;
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/viewthread.php?tid=139849
[Edited on 23-7-10 by MakeEverything]
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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kensprin
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| posted on 23/7/10 at 10:19 PM |
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Thanks for that. I maybe interested. Im just wondering if that will go straight onto the type 9 gearbox housing. it should do. do you know the
weight of these engines?
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 23/7/10 at 10:24 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by kensprin
Thanks for that. I maybe interested. Im just wondering if that will go straight onto the type 9 gearbox housing. it should do. do you know the
weight of these engines?
I dont, but i have picked it up on my own, VERY briefly! - Nearly killed me mind!
Its not much heavier than the 12V. Ive had both in the garage, and neither were fitted!! The best thing about the cosworth 24V is the instant power
upgrade, its the same block as the 12V and will take a type 9 if used sensibly. Everything is 2.8 capri standard, even the clutch.
[Edited on 23-7-10 by MakeEverything]
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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The Black Flash
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| posted on 23/7/10 at 10:28 PM |
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Hi,
I published my notes from when I was wondering which engine to use, which might be of some use. I think I looked at every easily available v6:
http://alfadax.com/content/before/engine_choice1.htm
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kensprin
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| posted on 23/7/10 at 10:46 PM |
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Thanks for that, So you went for the alfa in the end.
Let me think on this one. cosworth 2.9 i might go for
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Mr G
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| posted on 24/7/10 at 01:23 AM |
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24v will bolt straight onto a type 9 using the 2.8 bellhousing (using a 2.8 flywheel,spigot etc). If you want to shave a small amount of weight off
you could use the alloy bellhousing from a v6 4x4 although you would have to use the v6 4x4 starter as well (bolt pattern)
V6 type 9 is on its limits with a 24v lump (196ish bhp)
IIRC it's swings and roundabouts with the weight advantage as the alloy heads are beefier along with the larger plenum compared to the
12v's items.
EDIT: Where abouts in Devon are you?
Cheers
G
[Edited on 24/7/10 by Mr G]
Normal is getting dressed in clothes that you buy for work and driving through traffic in a
car that you are still paying for - in order to get to the job you need to pay for the clothes
and the car, and the house you leave vacant all day so you can afford to live in it.
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 24/7/10 at 07:04 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr G
V6 type 9 is on its limits with a 24v lump (196ish bhp)
[Edited on 24/7/10 by Mr G]
The BOA is less than the BOB. My engine is a BOB which the quoted factory figure is 230bhp.
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 24/7/10 at 09:34 AM |
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Oh, and i have an ali bellhousing as well if youre interested in that as well??
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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iank
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| posted on 24/7/10 at 10:01 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by The Black Flash
Hi,
I published my notes from when I was wondering which engine to use, which might be of some use. I think I looked at every easily available v6:
http://alfadax.com/content/before/engine_choice1.htm
You missed the Mazda V6 but I'm sure clairetoo would be able to fill in your table with the correct information.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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RazMan
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| posted on 24/7/10 at 10:45 AM |
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quote:
Originally posted by The Black Flash
Hi,
I published my notes from when I was wondering which engine to use, which might be of some use. I think I looked at every easily available v6:
http://alfadax.com/content/before/engine_choice1.htm
I didn't realise the Duratec V6 had a distributor - oh and it IS all alloy  
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
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kensprin
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| posted on 24/7/10 at 04:44 PM |
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My G, cheers for the info, Im based in Teignmouth.
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Mr G
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| posted on 24/7/10 at 09:02 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by MakeEverything
quote:
Originally posted by Mr G
V6 type 9 is on its limits with a 24v lump (196ish bhp)
[Edited on 24/7/10 by Mr G]
The BOA is less than the BOB. My engine is a BOB which the quoted factory figure is 230bhp.
Standard output figure for the BOB has always been 205-210bhp 
Engine technical data can be found reposted HERE &
HERE
That's why I went for a BOA with the option of just putting the BOB exhaust cams in
G
Normal is getting dressed in clothes that you buy for work and driving through traffic in a
car that you are still paying for - in order to get to the job you need to pay for the clothes
and the car, and the house you leave vacant all day so you can afford to live in it.
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 24/7/10 at 11:15 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mr G
quote:
Originally posted by MakeEverything
quote:
Originally posted by Mr G
V6 type 9 is on its limits with a 24v lump (196ish bhp)
[Edited on 24/7/10 by Mr G]
The BOA is less than the BOB. My engine is a BOB which the quoted factory figure is 230bhp.
Standard output figure for the BOB has always been 205-210bhp
Engine technical data can be found reposted HERE &
HERE
That's why I went for a BOA with the option of just putting the BOB exhaust cams in
G
Yes youre right, i stand corrected. I remember now, the BOA was 195 and the BOB 210.
Not sure where i got 230 from, possibly some calculations for my particular setup.
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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kensprin
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| posted on 25/7/10 at 09:32 AM |
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I would think 210 will be enough.
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MakeEverything
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| posted on 25/7/10 at 03:17 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by kensprin
I would think 210 will be enough.
Let me know if youre interested as soon as you know. I need some advance warning to get everything onto a pallet and ready for collection. Im open
to negotiation on the price, so dont be afraid to ask.
Kindest Regards,
Richard.
...You can make it foolProof, but youll never make it Idiot Proof!...
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The Black Flash
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| posted on 25/7/10 at 05:37 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by RazMan
quote:
Originally posted by The Black Flash
Hi,
I published my notes from when I was wondering which engine to use, which might be of some use. I think I looked at every easily available v6:
http://alfadax.com/content/before/engine_choice1.htm
I didn't realise the Duratec V6 had a distributor - oh and it IS all alloy
I had a pdf (apparently from ford) with some technical drawings on it, which is where I got the measurements from. Maybe it was a previous generation
engine? I'll have to see if I've still got a copy and double check. If you've got any specifics, let me know and I'll update
the page.
Moral of the story being, don't believe everything you find on the internets!
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iank
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| posted on 25/7/10 at 07:21 PM |
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Sounds like the information you got was about the Essex V6, which did have a distributor sticking out the top and was cast iron (and very heavy).
http://www.burtonpower.com/technical_1/essex_v4_v6.aspx
Duratec is all alloy and a completely different beast.
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Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Anonymous
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RazMan
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| posted on 25/7/10 at 08:26 PM |
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That's what I was thinking.
HTH
 
Engine Spec
[Edited on 25-7-10 by RazMan]
Cheers,
Raz
When thinking outside the box doesn't work any more, it's time to build a new box
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The Black Flash
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| posted on 27/7/10 at 02:42 PM |
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Excellent! I will make the correction next time I update.
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